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Wikipedia on "cotton ceiling"

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ZeldaFighter · 12/02/2023 20:17

This came up:

Cotton ceiling is a term referring to the marginalization of trans women face in queer sexual spaces.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The term was coined in 2015 by trans porn performer Drew DeVeaux, referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners.[12]

Is this correct as this is not how I understood it? I thought the term was about coercion of lesbians?

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Redebs · 12/02/2023 20:45

Marshmallowmountain · 12/02/2023 20:19

Why would a trans woman be attractive to a lesbian?

Because he's a man?

PriOn1 · 12/02/2023 20:45

Ah! Bored was much more concise!

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 12/02/2023 20:44

This is just written from the coercer’s point of view, rather than the coercee.

Which is Wikipedia all over.

PriOn1 · 12/02/2023 20:44

The term means exactly what you think it does.

Wikipedia is relentlessly policed by transactivists. Indeed it even says what you think, it’s merely couched in selfishness, whereby the man writing it can’t see anything from anyone else’s point of view.

He’s made it all about his victimization and is unable to conceive that any same-sex attracted woman can only be expected to turn him down.

Therefore he is also unable to perceive that the act of pursuing such a woman when he knows she’s a lesbian is an act of attempted coercion, and if she says no, he sees it as an insult which should probably be corrected.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 12/02/2023 20:43

Meandthemoggies · 12/02/2023 20:22

Tbf that is kind of what it says...just spun from the pov of a tw trying to get into said knickers. It reminds me of an article I once read about private school children being "discriminated against" by top universities' widening participation policies.

Agree. It's referencing it correctly, from the POV of a misogynist who sees women as sexual objects and support humans.

picklemewalnuts · 12/02/2023 20:23

Put it this way, if a lesbian willingly chooses a transwoman as a partner then she's not a lesbian she's bi.

If she's lesbian, and she's having sex with a transwoman when she'd prefer to have sex with a woman, then she's being coerced.

Meandthemoggies · 12/02/2023 20:22

Tbf that is kind of what it says...just spun from the pov of a tw trying to get into said knickers. It reminds me of an article I once read about private school children being "discriminated against" by top universities' widening participation policies.

picklemewalnuts · 12/02/2023 20:21

What would you call it when a male is complaining about being sexually marginalised by lesbians?
Some might call it discriminatory and label it 'the cotton ceiling'. That's referencing the glass ceiling which prevents women getting to senior positions.

When men are complaining about being rejected for sex by lesbians, complaining that they are being discriminated against and face a barrier which they want to breach...

I would call that coercive.

I don't understand where you see a discrepancy?

ChampagneCommunist · 12/02/2023 20:19

Yep, I agree with you. I thought it was about trying to force lesbians to accept sex with men (aka trans women")

Marshmallowmountain · 12/02/2023 20:19

Why would a trans woman be attractive to a lesbian?

WolfFoxHare · 12/02/2023 20:18

It is. Edit it.

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ZeldaFighter · 12/02/2023 20:18

Also badly written or edited. Pick a tense.

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