Wikipedia on "cotton ceiling"

It is happening, but it's more in the category of being a nuisance:

www.datalounge.com/thread/29351293-is-anyone-else-seeing-a-large-number-of-trans-profiles-on-gay-dating-meeting-apps-lately-

They haven’t come for straight men because straight men would laugh in their faces.

I’m a lesbian. I don’t date transwomen because chicks don’t have dicks. It’s that simple.

Redebs, I know. It's the concept of breaking a barrier that I'm referring to.

Males wanting to have sex with lesbian women specifically because they see a cotton barrier to break through. Males wanting to have sex with sexually inexperienced women specifically because they see a membranous barrier to break through.

IE males wanting to have sex with specific women for purposes of conquest and ego-boosting.

And are straight men also being subjected to campaigns to coerce them into having sex with trans-identifying men?

How do straight men feel about their sons and brothers being forced to have sex with other men under threat of being accused 'transphobic'?

The 'cotton' they want to break through is women's underwear. That is absolutely the height of creepiness

Its yet another example of men claiming they are oppressed and victimised by women's boundaries, which is at least one of the rules of misogyny.

This.

*The term 'cotton ceiling' suggests barriers to accessing women's bodies need to be 'broken through'.

It's one of the most offensive and grotesque things I've ever heard.*

Reminiscent of the premium some misogynists place on 'virgin' women. And girls.

So many people, including women, absolutely hopping mad that sexual orientation exists.

When you're openly telling gay people they're wrong/disgusting there has to come a moment when you actually hear what you're saying.

twitter.com/TransHomophobes

Excellent article.

Gay rights, female enfranchisement, and desegregation took ages, and had to be built from the ground up via speeches and rallies where the favour of majorities was won. Only then did these movements take their cases to the courts. Trans activists went straight to the politicians, avoiding the painstaking process of convincing women to extend access to their spaces, identities and bodies. “When those laws will take away other people’s rights,” says Joyce, “it is not only unnecessary to build public awareness. It is imperative to keep the public in the dark.”

The belief that homosexual women could be scolded into providing sexual relationships as a form of social duty is dehumanising women to a quite staggering degree. And the anger and bewilderment that they just won't all do it without complaint is even more staggering.

And yet we're supposed to buy into the idea that 'conversion therapy' is evil and this movement want to ban it? And not have a lot of questions about that? And not point out the great big elephants cantering about in it that actually, attempts to convert homosexual people via pressure and exclusion and arguing them out of their identity and belief in a right to define themselves and their sexuality is ok?

Why? What does all this serve?

At least it makes it clear how women are seen through this lens: as body parts to be claimed/accessed/gotten at.

Very interesting. Explains why all these men have such unrealistic expectations.

I imagine male centred lesbian porn has a lot to do with it too. Written for men, by men.

This.

The phrase 'glass ceiling' represented something that needed to be 'broken through', of course. The term 'cotton ceiling' suggests barriers to accessing women's bodies need to be 'broken through'.

It's one of the most offensive and grotesque things I've ever heard.

Leaps off the page doesn't it. Boke indeed.

"referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners"

Hence the ridiculous attempt to delete and hide that 'breaking through a ceiling' made of cotton referred to anything but ways to get past the barriers of a certain part of lesbian clothing.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up: it's absolutely bloody awful in concept, in utter disrespect for homosexuality and women, and in absolute lack of capacity to view a sexual partner as any kind of human being. See also the instructions to lesbians that they could 'learn to cope' with straight sex if they tried, and it was a social duty to 'overcome their genital bias' to avoid the horror of saying no to male people.

Hiding this? Trying to erase it? There's evidence all over this place that this is exactly what it is, reality cannot be altered by not saying the words and trying to prevent other people saying it. If it's raising negative publicity for those who originate the concept? Then that needs facing and addressing. Not trying to force everyone else to pretend it didn't happen. There's a lot of repair work that this political movement needs to do with female people.

Oof. Forget Wikipedia. It's chat GPT that needs educating. Misogyny and lesbophobia are rife. It does not even pretend to be neutral.

"referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners"

Weird choice of words. I can't remember any woman I've known (or any of the men I've been friends with, either) or any non-trolly threads here, ever using that sort of language. It's always 'finding a partner' or 'meeting someone', or similar.

Talking about 'securing a partner' would make me very uncomfortable. It's a willy-waving red flag for one-sided behaviour of a person who only takes account of their own wishes and desires.

Massive turn-off.

True. And then they'd probably lock the article too. Ho hum.

a.k.a heterosexual men whinging that lesbians won't 'try some dick'.

And if there's any doubt in your mind about that, read that terfisaslur collection - pages of such whinging.

"referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners"

a.k.a heterosexual men whinging that lesbians won't 'try some dick'.

I'm staggered that anyone can think that Wikipedia definition of cotton ceiling is anything other than implying coercion.

"referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners"

I suppose it doesn't make it explicit that the cotton ceiling refers to women's pants. But of course lesbians aren't interested in men, so it can only be a coercive situation.

Wikipedia is completely ideologically captured. I don’t think an edit would implying coercion of lesbians would stand for more than a day.

Here's a collection of dozens of examples of it in use, mostly around 2015, many from Drew DeVeaux.

terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

And don't forget that BBC article on it from the end of 2021, which got a lot of people very upset due to too much sunlight. That's got interviews with lots of women on the receiving end.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385

Just wrap your head around the fact that some people genuinely think they can be "marginalized in a sexual space".
Getting your dick wet is not a human right.

If you can't get laid by the person your attracted to, that is simply not what "marginalized" means.

The term "ceiling" is used to describe the "difficulty transwomen face" in trying to have sex with lesbians (which they interpret as something they should be able to expect because they are true women). Based on the term "glass ceiling" - the difficulty women face in trying to get promoted beyond a certain level. The term is already written from the perspective of transwomen. Lesbians who don't want to have sex with transwomen are trying to keep the "cotton ceiling" in place.