Why is Wales jumping on the self ID bandwagon?

To me, something is very fishy with MD's announcement. He would have to be deaf and blind to think that copying Scotland is a good idea at this point.

He can quite easily see that, Westminster will not allow it, it is completely unpopular, evidently dangerous, and makes a mockery of the government.

But what if he has already agreed to someone he would do it, and is unable to back out?

I think you have a point here.

My MP is conservative too, I don't like him on most issues but he has replied sensibly to me on this issue.

Indeed.

In fact, where I live, for some people, it's a quaint place to retire move to in your 20s as you can't afford to live anywhere else and one of your mates has some land so along you come and populate our whatsapps with your pronouns and our village halls with your queer ecology workshops, nothing more

FFS

Can you tell I've had enough of this nonsense? 😆

(you can probably pin me down almost to the square mile from that ^^, time for another name change?)

Wales is a different place to different people. To some it is the land of their mothers and it is the place of their cultural heritage, slipping away between their fingers.

To others it's a quaint place to retire to, nothing more.

There are definitely different perspectives

He and his same sex husband have had a child via surrogacy

They've got 2 now. That's Adam Price and hubby.

I do know what Gwenhwyfar means about 'seeing things through English eyes'. People do it all the time on a local whatsapp group where I live. Stuff to do with land use, class and so on. I mean we all see things through our own prism and experience but you'd think that when you move to a place with a different culture there'd be some kind of awareness! Somebody more patient than me often intervenes and gently and diplomatically points it out at which point they say 'oh yes, of course'. I roll my eyes and stick the group back into archive.

I started the youth club thread yesterday, I'm in rural Wales. It's depressing.

A female friend of mine from the Labour party says that all the older women agree with us and not to worry, but I know a load of the young ones and they're all TWAW.

I live in Wales, Plaid knocked my door last time they were coming around and I asked him what a woman was. He flapped around, couldn't answer snd eventually pointed to me and my partner and said we were both humans. I repeatedly asked him to tell me how me and my husband are different, but he couldn't. He is a man in his mid 50s, he doesn't appear to be woke, so i don't know if his inability to define a woman was due to higher orders. He left looking utterly embarassed.

I recently emailed our conservative MP and asked him to back section 35, and he replied with a fairly lengthly response saying that he was in agreement, as he was very clear Scotland's GRR was a danger to women.

In terms of MD wanting his own reform -

I am more cynical.

Watching Sturgeon talk about 'the individual' and 'the rapist' when questioned on Isla Bryant, I knew I was very much watching a woman who didn't believe what she was saying.

My musings are - are the Scottish, Irish & Welsh Givernmebts more penetrable than Westminster? If an organisation wanted to bribe a Government, would it be easier to do so with these states?

To me, something is very fishy with MD's announcement. He would have to be deaf and blind to think that copying Scotland is a good idea at this point.

He can quite easily see that, Westminster will not allow it, it is completely unpopular, evidently dangerous, and makes a mockery of the government.

But what if he has already agreed to someone he would do it, and is unable to back out?

I am also Welsh and I agree with this.

Live in Wales, have repeatedly written to my local MP about this.
No response or even an acknowledgment. They don't do grass root campaign here.
There is so much of gender ideology pushed in schools and universities here, really scary.

Thanks nauticant

In the Government of Wales Act 2006, in SCHEDULE 7A "Gender recognition" is one of the reserved matters (Section L13).

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/32/schedule/7A

No idea,you're the one who lives on the continent.

"TBH I was thinking more of the support actors - e.g. student population who aren't trans themselves, but enjoy the whole NB, rainbow bullshit world view, and who are "saviour" types looking for a community to save and Nirvana to create."

The youth wings of the progressive parties are obviously all very pro-trans. They manage to hound out any gender critical politician.

Are they all 'desperate to be different from England' then?

Any Welsh posters here? Is there widespread, grass roots support for these policies? Why? Just Why is the Welsh Government - why are any politicians - pursing this?

Not Welsh but have spent more than half my (fairly long) adult life here. I've been leafleting and talking to people in public places around South Wales from Newport to Pembroke since 2017 and I would say that for every 20-25 people who stop and indicate what you might call GC support for things like single-sex spaces there may be one person who brushes past with a scowl or who stops to tell me they disagree. Most people now have an idea what we're talking. Early on there was a lot of ignorance and confusion. But even then few people thought it was right for men to be in women's sport or in women's changing rooms. And we forget that years people assumed that being transgender meant having full sexual reassignment surgery. But showing them a photo of Alex Drummond proved very useful.

Also Welsh, live in a valleys constituency so Labour that if they stuck a red rosette on a dog folks would vote for it. Also so confident of victory that they don’t often do doorstepping, we get the occasional leaflet.

I always voted Plaid, because their grass roots work was generally good. Not now though.
I am honestly in despair! How can we make them open their bloody ears and listen?

Given the co-morbidities that a great many young people have and that fact that it's now accepted that the vast majority of older transitioners are men with a GP, which is sexually motivated, I'm not sure your theory stands up. It assumes a level of rationality from our leaders that doesn't fit with their TWAW attitude.

I'm Welsh and it makes me feel physically sick, so much so I'm looking to leave Wales as it thinks so little of me and women and girls in general although where to I don't know.
Are there any Scandinavian countries that haven't drunk the coolaid?
I saw 2 things yesterday that fucked me off even more. My local Halfords has put the large rainbow flag stickers up, the ones with the dad's army trans triangle bit attacking it.
That made me shout the c word really loudly, then online a well known dog rescue organisation has fucking "gender" instead of "sex" for their dogs.
I can't be the only one walking around in a constant rage. Fuck the Welsh government.

Yeah,there are plenty of fucking idiots on the continent too.

Dickford wouldn't notice if it struck an iceberg and went down with all trans on deck.

I'm Welsh and live in Wales, but don't blindly support Drakeford et al, rather I look at how policies affect my family's quality of life compared to friends and family in other parts of the UK.
The WG are so desperate to be 'different' from England that many aspects of life in Wales are poorer, from healthcare services to recent proposals to increase taxation for Wales dwelling taxpayers.
Gander matters is the latest vanity project.

Leave aside the wokeness, the pettiness over being different to England etc - I cannot understand the sheer stupidity of it. This looks to be an issue that has done for Sturgeon - 4 out of 10 voters want her to resign immediately. People in Scotland are massively opposed to this policy. Out of simple self-preservation, why on earth would you introduce a policy that is going to make the voters hate you? Are they mad, or what? What a bunch of clowns.

"I'm not sure why anyone's surprised by this crap,these are same fucking idiots who told us we weren't allowed to purchase 'non essential items'."

I live on the continent and we had cordoned off parts of supermarkets too. It's not just something that happened in Wales!

"I mean, they haven’t even bothered to get their own graphics for their ‘yes’ stickers - they just copied Scotland."

The 'yes' stickers belong to Yes Cymru, not Plaid Cymru.
They're different organisations.

Governments, councils, companies, schools etc all feel it is easier to give in to the aggressive, manipulative, eats of the TRAs than to stand up for women and girls.

Over recent decades, respect for women has grown, but the whole trans rights thing has demonstrated to me exactly how fragile that was - at the first sign of any push back from the men’s rights activists (which is what the TRAs are), any respect for women, or belief that their dignity and safety are worth protecting, has vanished like mist in the sunshine.

It is bloody depressing.