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Bergdorf in The Guardian

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PenguinFlipper · 11/02/2023 15:08

Puff piece on Bergdorf. www.theguardian.com/fashion/2023/feb/11/munroe-bergdorf-interview-model-writer-trans-activist-memoir

Weirdly doesn't mention the NSPCC cutting ties with Bergdorf over safeguarding concerns www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48643467. And while discussing the Scottish GRC bill, fails to mention at all the controversy over rapists and other male sex criminals who say they're women being placed in women's prisons. Perhaps the journo's Google is broken?

Depressingly Bergdorf was bullied as a child for being an effeminate gay boy. "I was too girly for the boys".

How have we got to the point where homophobia is so rife that medicating / operating on unhappy people and helping them pretend they're the opposite sex is preferable to accepting them as gay? And then demonising anyone who doesn't want to join in the pretending?

Bergdorf seems to have had a hard life. I wish it had been easier with support for Bergdorf to accept Bergdorf's self as a gay man. In Bergdorf's own words: "How many people are going to die, and how many people are going to end up in situations like I’ve been in where they can’t love themselves, because the environment they are in encourages them to hate themselves?".

Of course, abuse of anyone including trans people is wrong and sounds like Bergdorf has had a truckload. I hope Begdorf does love Bergdorf's self. But I worry if Bergdorf has assigned happiness to other people accepting Bergdorf as a woman, because it's a belief not everyone shares, and I don't think it's abusive to state that men are not women. In fact, I think it's of critical importance.

Why? This is another quote from Bergdorf in the article:

white “existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour”

You can also apply that to sex:

"Male existence, privilege and success ... is built on the backs, blood and death of women."

If we accept that, then the oppressor (men) should never be allowed to identify as the oppressed (women).

I'm not sure Bergdorf appreciates Bergdorf's male privilege in claiming that trans-identified males are women.

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PenguinFlipper · 11/02/2023 16:59

@TheBiologyStupid wait, so Bergdorf said those tweets were in the context of Bergdorf being 22 and "identifying" as a gay male? But now is a completely different person? Presumably still got same brain?

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Ohnohedident · 11/02/2023 16:51

Everyone alive can paint a back story full of pain and disappointment. It dose not give you the right to abuse others.

TeamadIshbel · 11/02/2023 16:50

PenguinFlipper · 11/02/2023 15:08

Puff piece on Bergdorf. www.theguardian.com/fashion/2023/feb/11/munroe-bergdorf-interview-model-writer-trans-activist-memoir

Weirdly doesn't mention the NSPCC cutting ties with Bergdorf over safeguarding concerns www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48643467. And while discussing the Scottish GRC bill, fails to mention at all the controversy over rapists and other male sex criminals who say they're women being placed in women's prisons. Perhaps the journo's Google is broken?

Depressingly Bergdorf was bullied as a child for being an effeminate gay boy. "I was too girly for the boys".

How have we got to the point where homophobia is so rife that medicating / operating on unhappy people and helping them pretend they're the opposite sex is preferable to accepting them as gay? And then demonising anyone who doesn't want to join in the pretending?

Bergdorf seems to have had a hard life. I wish it had been easier with support for Bergdorf to accept Bergdorf's self as a gay man. In Bergdorf's own words: "How many people are going to die, and how many people are going to end up in situations like I’ve been in where they can’t love themselves, because the environment they are in encourages them to hate themselves?".

Of course, abuse of anyone including trans people is wrong and sounds like Bergdorf has had a truckload. I hope Begdorf does love Bergdorf's self. But I worry if Bergdorf has assigned happiness to other people accepting Bergdorf as a woman, because it's a belief not everyone shares, and I don't think it's abusive to state that men are not women. In fact, I think it's of critical importance.

Why? This is another quote from Bergdorf in the article:

white “existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour”

You can also apply that to sex:

"Male existence, privilege and success ... is built on the backs, blood and death of women."

If we accept that, then the oppressor (men) should never be allowed to identify as the oppressed (women).

I'm not sure Bergdorf appreciates Bergdorf's male privilege in claiming that trans-identified males are women.

Thank you for articulating how so many women feel about this so well.

TheBiologyStupid · 11/02/2023 16:47

This Monroe Bergdorf?

Indeed, but of course it's not Bergdorf's fault that Bergdorf was exposed for making nasty homophobic remarks, it's the evil right-wing press digging them up that are to blame:
news.sky.com/video/trans-activist-defends-hairy-lesbian-tweets-11373545

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PenguinFlipper · 11/02/2023 16:33

@Sharktopus 😮

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Sharktopus · 11/02/2023 16:10

This Monroe Bergdorf?

Bergdorf in The Guardian
EpicChaos · 11/02/2023 15:51

The point is @PenguinFlipper they are actively encouraging little kids, that barely have a sense of self, to hate their bodies, they have no right to do so!
The kids are being deliberately brainwashed into it!
Far too many degenerates being allowed to have far too much to say!

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PenguinFlipper · 11/02/2023 15:43

@EpicChaos yes good point. If someone says they hate their body, I'm not sure agreeing that they are right to do so, and putting them on a pathway for damaging meds/surgery, is a great idea.

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EpicChaos · 11/02/2023 15:34

@PenguinFlipper
" how many people are going to end up in situations like I’ve been in where they can’t love themselves, because the environment they are in encourages them to hate themselves?". "

Isn't that exactly the situation that they are breaking their necks to put young children in? 3 and 4 year olds upwards being told they're in the wrong bodies and to deny they're boys and girls and then, encouraging them to start thinking about those wonderful operations that will cure it all, when they get that little bit older but meanwhile, just have these injections and take these tablets!

KatMcBundleFace · 11/02/2023 15:16

Bergdorf is privileged enough; I'm pretty sure their mum was high flying and successful. Money hasn't been an issue for them.

Isn't mum white too, did she build her existence oppressing Bergdorfs dad?

Bergdorf just hates themselves.