Liverpool - woman who distributed indecent images of children over WhatsApp has walked free from court.

And still walks free?

Fucking shameful.

The head tilt gives it away.

Vile man. It' shocking that men can engage in child porn via images and still not receive a custodial sentence.

"I note you have a history of depressive illness, a mixed personality disorder and gender dysphoria. You have also abused alcohol, which seems to have stemmed from an unhappy childhood and emotional trauma as you seek to transition from male to female.

"I have thought long and hard as to whether an immediate custodial sentence should be imposed. In the event, I have drawn back from that course.

From the article I am fairly sure 'being trans' was a get out of jail free card.

This bloke also admitted four counts of making indecent images

I think generally when it comes to sentencing that avoiding these people being sent to prison is definitely a trend. However, it's no secret that having the worst types of images in your possession isn't enough to get you in a prison. At least if you're of the male sex. There are simply FAR too many of these offenders. It's quite vomit-inducing reading the numbers. I don't have them to hand and don't have time to get them just now, but it's really horrific. Basically unless you actually filmed L/photographed them yourself you'll not be behind bars. The fact that a suspended sentence was given here is as good as it gets.

It's truly horrific. I would like the viewing and distribution of such images to be counted the same as actually filming them/perpetrating the abuse. Because I don't see the difference between doing it and essentially passively outsourcing it.

Yep. And then this is used as an argument that women shouldn’t be afraid of men or need single sex facilities because “women are [abusers / rapists / violent] too” 🤬

The courts need a total reset of their sentences guidlines vis a vis offences against women and children.

Or just add them into the general population of the Men's estate. In my experience, sexual offences with minors are not welcomed with open arms....

”transwomen and transmen” not sure how transwomen got deleted out.

And time to remind ourselves of the IPSO (Independent Press Standards Organisation) consultation which is currently wanting our views. There's a thread on here.

You know what to do.

I’d agree. I think it’s due to safety issues.

That’s why I think one prison should be converted to be a trans prison. Take one of the smaller women’s prisons not like we do much crime anyway, just stop convicting sex workers. Put and transmen in different secure, fully separated wings (no mixing) in the new trans prison. Give family members railcards to come visit once a month.

Haha no. It’s obvious in the facial structure. Trust me India, you don’t pass as well as you think you do

Jesus the whole topic of trans is giving me mental health issues . The world has gone fucking insane and Maggie Chapman will still insist that men claiming to be women isn't a problem .

The judge said 'your or the males' gratification'.

Same thing, surely?

There does appear to be, to the layman, an increasing pattern of judges avoiding sending men to prison where a trans identity is involved.

Ridiculous that this person has been released.

'Trans woman' would have been a start. Leaving that out - and not even mentioning transition anywhere in the original story - is just complete gaslighting.

While OP made a good point about outlets getting around guidelines by letting the picture do the work, I don't think that could have been the deliberate ploy here. (Although without the image nobody would have been any the wiser.)

I knew before I even opened the thread. No picture needed.

How depressing is that? Fr Dougal’s fluffy reality strikes again.

And aye to this

#notourcrimes

I seem to recall that recently that the Home Office had directed the police to start recording sex of perpetrator/convict by birth sex in crime statistics. It started for the Apr 22- Mar 23 statistics.

The only exception would be if they have a GRC could they be recorded as a different sex from birth sex. (Perhaps get this deleted later).

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-trans-crime-statistics-grc-birth-sex-b2056345.html

i understand why the paper might not have wanted to use male pronouns etc, but why at least not avoid saying woman? They could have said “male found guilty of…” or “trans woman found guilty of …” or even “smithville resident found guilty of…”. However they chose to use the word woman in the title!

It's not necessarily a trans shield. Very few men convicted of possessing child sex abuse images are sent to prison.

Obviously the ridiculous thing here is referring to this vile man as a woman. I had hoped the business with the Scottish butcher might be the end of it.

Ah no worries Bore I was just saying! I derailed the Ipso thread a bit.

I was afraid to start a thread here yesterday on the (clearly utterly negligible) chance the offender really happened to be a woman, so at least I know I'm not going mad!

So surely thread title should read Man presenting as a woman!!
We need to stop this crap.

So sick of this shit. It skews crime stats, especially sexual ones, if this goes down as being committed by a woman. When will it end?

I was reading another Twitter thread where India Willoughby was getting all 'do you look in the pants of transwomen to check' or some pish like that. It's clear just by looking at the face what sex they are. No nether regions have to be looked at to confirm.