Liverpool - woman who distributed indecent images of children over WhatsApp has walked free from court.

I note you have a history of depressive illness, a mixed personality disorder and gender dysphoria. You have also abused alcohol, which seems to have stemmed from an unhappy childhood and emotional trauma as you seek to transition from male to female.

Many people with gender dysphoria may have had traumatic pasts ( including sexual abuse) which they need help in addressing. This is why banning therapy for trans people is so wrong.

In this case they have also basically become a paedophile.

The judge may feel sorry for him but he is unlikely to just get better and is a great danger to children.

This is another example of a man who says they are a woman showing themselves capable, like a minority of all men, of being a criminal.

Absolutely! Sorry for not spotting that you'd been misinterpreted earlier, SupportWren.

I think it's the internet. That particular poster has called themselves a female warrior but the posts are generally a bit unsettling.

Yep that was the comment that made me leave the thread 🥺

I was not defending or condoning it, FFS. I was simply explaining that male and female prisons are two completely separate things when considering capacity. You could release every woman prisoner and it still wouldn’t make much difference to the space needed to house male offenders, because the vast majority of women’s prisons are low security whereas the pressure on male prisons is in the higher security categories.

I quite agree with this.

I wouldn't be sure of anything that poster states about themselves, tbh. There's a comment on this thread that made my stomach turn and I can't imagine someone with the background they claim to have writing that.

@Onnabugeisha states they have been abused themselves but fails see that physical abuse and the sharing of that abuse is in the end the same disgusting crime . I find that astonishing !

How exactly are the victims abused over and over again just by someone else hundreds of miles away viewing the images of historic abuse?

I'm saddened that you cannot see the connection. A whole industry has grown up to supply the desires of people like the man who was let off scot free.

If you pay someone to rape a child (or commit any other crime) so you can enjoy watching (or for any other reason), you are morally responsible for that crime. If you pay them after the images have been produced, you are also morally responsible. If you join a group of people who do this, and encourage them by sharing the images, you are also morally responsible.

The continuing use of old images is one factor that continues to drive the trade in child sex abuse.

@BenCoopersSupportWren The male and female prison estates are two separate things - unless you’re suddenly advocating for men to be imprisoned with women just because that’s where the capacity in the prison system is?

There are spaces in women’s prisons, but very very few in men’s. And as we know, men commit more serious offences at a more frequent rate than women, hence the vast pressures on capacity in the male estate. The prison service has recently resorted to renting cells in police stations and paying the police overtime to supervise them as an emergency measure, that’s how little space there is in men’s prisons.

Ffs, would you ever hear yourself! You are defending the fact that women are sent to prison for much lesser crimes because of space and have the fucking cheek to accuse me of wanting to put a man in a women's prison because I complain about the disparity.

Something is really seriously wrong in the UK when such a serious sex offender is allowed free to walk the streets. They might as well take the offense of raping children off the books. Though someone will probably take my saying that as my advocating it.

It's not just the press though is it?

I think we must have crimes recorded as by the correct sex.

Otherwise what are they doing? Women very rarely do this kind of thing. It skews data, it's offensive to women and to the victims. What makes them a woman anyway? Nothing.

We need reality at all levels, from the police to the prison service.

The police are meant to be the public, not policy captured behind closed doors.

@maddy68
”As horrific as this seems” blah blah minimise minimise…

Yes, what this MAN has done is HORRIFIC.

Don’t you understand the pure RAGE of the women here who have suffered CSA thanks to such perpetrators? The FEAR and REVULSION we women feel on behalf of our own daughters growing up in a world where: a) the most basic fact of the story is so blatantly twisted meaning that the sexual crimes perpetrated against CHILDREN are attributed to a WOMAN and b) nobody in the judiciary seems to give a flying fuck about keeping children safe?

I think we're all thinking that now

Furious about this. The headline should at the very least have said Transwomen and referred to his male birth name, so that other potential victims in his past could make the connection and have a chance to come forward

poor journalism
poor magistrate

no justice for his victims

Not our crime and recording it as such must be challenged.

Onnabugeisha · Yesterday 20:00

Sorry, but I disagree. To me, it’s bit like saying everyone who has seen an ISIS execution/beheading video is just as guilty as the actual terrorists doing the murdering and videoing.

Well, you can disagree with the law, but you are wrong. He has participated in the abuse, by helping to fuel the market for CSE images. He also made four images himself, even if it's not specified how.

He shares culpability with the makers of the images he downloaded, it's a point of law, if nothing else.

I’ve always thought that sentences for online sex abuse crimes against children were way too light. I also don’t really believe that any of the “rehabilitative activity” or “community sentences” work for sexual offenders. I’d much rather have people with these crimes in prison than some of the other crimes people are imprisoned for. I’ve worked with a few men with financial crime, who obviously deserved punishment, but who posed very little risk to others and low likelihood or reoffending, yet they did prison time.

Presumably the newspaper couldn't report he was convicted of possessing 84 category A images if it wasn't true. Please piss off with your patronising attitude that we're responding to sensationalist reporting.

84 images and videos showing children as young as 4 being raped.

These are real children being abused to cater to the sexual perversions of a POS man.

He continued offending even after he was released on bail after his initial arrest.

Why aren't you outraged that he didn't receive a custodial sentence?

What is wrong with you?

The male and female prison estates are two separate things - unless you’re suddenly advocating for men to be imprisoned with women just because that’s where the capacity in the prison system is?

There are spaces in women’s prisons, but very very few in men’s. And as we know, men commit more serious offences at a more frequent rate than women, hence the vast pressures on capacity in the male estate. The prison service has recently resorted to renting cells in police stations and paying the police overtime to supervise them as an emergency measure, that’s how little space there is in men’s prisons.

But none of that changes the fact that this is a man whose crimes appear to be counted as a woman’s, and that’s not fucking on.

Thanks @BoreOfWhabylon . But I'll have to bow out of that limelight. My abuse was not of a sexual nature. I never agreed it was abuse, I could not see it as abuse until much later in life. That's why I understand that not everyone perceives abuse the same way. Doesn't change the nature of the crime though...

Right, so, enough of that, I'm off to fill in an ipso consultation.

Just to say I filled in the IPSO consultation.
I'm a retired journalist and life member of the NUJ and I could weep for what journalism has become on this issue and how some journalists have swallowed the gender ideology. There are many very honourable exceptions, of course.

The IPSO guidance on reporting gender issues seems to focus on fairness for trans identified people, mostly male ones, and has little in the way of how this impacts women, especially in changing perceptions of criminality. This matters enormously.
I quoted the Liverpool Echo story for illustration.

@Boiledbeetle &@Onnabugeisha :💐
I know what it is like to feel so dead inside that nothing can reach you but that doesn't mean others don't feel violated by the knowledge of the continued exposure. It is continued child abuse.

Oops, I meant to add that it does, however, tell us something about the difference in patterns of male and female criminality.