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You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!

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MadamAndTheAnts · 10/02/2023 14:30

I know the whole transgender thing causes a lot of debate on Mumsnet. I’m not looking to stir that up here. But, regardless of where you stand, I think we all have to hand it to Gen Z for managing to freak out older generations so effectively.

Boomers spooked the Silent Generation with their love of rock n roll and the counterculture of the 60s.

Gen X framed the Boomers with acid house and rave.

Millennials were kinda lame as ‘hipster’ was little more than irony and beards.

Millennials and Gex thought they’d seen it all and were cool and tolerant.

But then came Gen Z who decided to disrupt the traditional thinking around gender. And all hell has broken loose. Gen X who thought of themselves as seriously tolerant have been massively freaked out!!!!

You have to hand it to Gen Z!!!

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mollycoddle77 · 10/02/2023 16:38

Baaaaaa · 10/02/2023 16:09

Gen z are just the victims of a batshit fringe ideology created by boomers in a university petri dish, fermented by geX and taken mainstream and applied by millenials. The healthy gen z and gen alpha are starting to rebel against it.

Yes this. You are right, the boomers wrote the theory, gen X ran with it, and millennials implemented it into our societal and political structures. We can't blame one generation, this has been cooking for a long time.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 10/02/2023 16:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2023 16:21

I don't agree that Gen Z are the biggest TRAs. It's young millennials.

I rather suspect OP is an older Millennial (probably round about 40 and desperately trying to feel ‘with it’).

Jeffrey Marsh type, y’know?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2023 16:21

I don't agree that Gen Z are the biggest TRAs. It's young millennials.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2023 16:19

OP seems rather behind the zeitgeist...

How glorious. "Radfem Baby TE*F Twitter" FTW.

Ponderingwindow · 10/02/2023 16:13

We were very explicit with our Gen Z child that there was no such thing as girl clothes or boy toys. We made sure to model an egalitarian relationship at home and spoke out about gender stereotypes when we saw them in action. We taught our daughter that women faced discrimination in the workplace because of biology and the realities of pregnancy and childrearing.

we Were legitimately shocked to learn those lessons had been rejected.

Baaaaaa · 10/02/2023 16:09

Gen z are just the victims of a batshit fringe ideology created by boomers in a university petri dish, fermented by geX and taken mainstream and applied by millenials. The healthy gen z and gen alpha are starting to rebel against it.

KatMcBundleFace · 10/02/2023 16:00

I know my youth of drinking, shagging and bands is so old fashioned. Thank god its been replaced by being miserable in your bedroom in your mums house and cancelling video games.

Whoooo, progress.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 10/02/2023 15:57

😂

Those goddamn 21 year olds, refusing to like what they are told to like!

You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!
NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 10/02/2023 15:53

OP seems rather behind the zeitgeist…

You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!
YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/02/2023 15:49

Because that’s all those other generations did .. especially the ‘boomers’. …

They were instrumental in second-wave feminism, the sexual revolution, the counter-culture and a whole range of other anti-establishment ideas and movements.

It makes no sense to compare musical styles from other so-called generations with z’s genderism. I’m not even sure that all the movers and shakers are Z. I think many are quite a bit older.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 10/02/2023 15:49

Funnily enough, I just came across this article that says that Gen Z are terfs, same as us Mumsnetters 😆

www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/58018/1/does-gen-z-have-a-transphobia-terf-problem-trans-rights-attitudes-millenial

(Dazed used to be a proper magazine called Dazed and Confused back in our day!)

You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!
You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!
namitynamechange · 10/02/2023 15:47

As a millennial I can also remember being about 12 and desperate to have a pencil case branded with the Playboy logo that was super popular at the time. My mum said absolutely not. At the time I felt that was her not understanding me/my friends. As an adult though I will grudgingly admit that it was 12 year old me who didn't understand (and slightly judge the parents of friends who bought it for them).

Helleofabore · 10/02/2023 15:43

"Gen X who thought of themselves as seriously tolerant have been massively freaked out!!!!"

Err..According to polls, Gen X are still tolerant.

It is the age groups 18-28 and to a slightly lesser extent 28-38 that are the most intolerant in society.

They are the ones who are authoritarian in demanding that no opinions that they want to here are to be voiced. They should be silenced. They are responsible for the words 'tolerant' and 'kind' now meaning the very opposite of their known meaning. Under this authoritarianism, words have been destabilised and too many of them have enthusiastically embraced it.

And yes. Gen X is 'freaked out'. These are our fucking kids that have been caught up in this. Question is OP. Are you too 'freaked' out? If not, why not?

EnfysPreseli · 10/02/2023 15:41

Are you being sarcastic OP? I think this is the lamest, most incoherent and least progressive attempt at rebellion ever. I don't think it's a Gen Z thing either. I know young people from that generation who haven't fallen for the pomo woo woo. The young people/younger adults who have swallowed it seem to cross a couple of generations. They haven't shaken anything up. In fact it's just embarrassing how clueless and unaware of social history and equality issues they are.

Awayyego · 10/02/2023 15:39

Yawn, every generation thinks they invented rebellion! The difference between this and the older brand of rebellion is that once the punks of my generation grew up, they were able to grow out their hair style and let the piercings heal over. Only a few caused permanent damage with drugs and these are the ones I look back at with great sadness. This generation is mutilating themselves with drugs and surgery and I lay the blame for this entirely on the adults who are facilitating it instead of indulgently saying “yes dear” when Samuel declares himself to be Samantha.

namitynamechange · 10/02/2023 15:20

baroqueandblue · 10/02/2023 15:13

The only thing you and your gen Z mates are getting handed to you here OP are your arses.

Nice try 🙄

I doubt very much the poster is gen Z. I see them either as the "cool mum" of Regina George in Mean Girls OR as the sort of odd middle aged man that used to try to "hang out" with me and my friends when we went clubbing as teenagers. "Hey young ladies aren't adults like totally square and unhip. Not like me though" bleuurgh.

Wanderingowl · 10/02/2023 15:18

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 10/02/2023 14:32

And Gen Alpha are looking at their blue haired, miserable older siblings and going…

’Nah mate, youse are all cringe’

Got to say my Gen Alpha thinks they are nuts. Especially since they tried to cancel Mr Beast.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 10/02/2023 15:18

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/02/2023 15:10

I refer to this as the Posh Spice Rule. If you have to state something, it probably isn't true.

Not heard of that before - thanks, it gave me a good laugh.

BettyFilous · 10/02/2023 15:16

GCAcademic · 10/02/2023 14:36

They haven’t “disrupted traditional thinking about gender”. They’ve entrenched it.

This ☝️

baroqueandblue · 10/02/2023 15:13

The only thing you and your gen Z mates are getting handed to you here OP are your arses.

Nice try 🙄

namitynamechange · 10/02/2023 15:11

And FYI the far right are very interested in mobilising young people too (this has already started and you can see them using the same language/arguments) - I wonder if the people soooo taken with the idea of "gen Z" as some fresh faced vanguard of left wing progressiveness will be so taken when the inevitable backlash is also fronted by teenagers and people in their twenties. A shit idea is a shit idea and racism is racism no matter the age of the person spouting it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/02/2023 15:10

Yay - how funny. All of this built on the wrecked bodies, future infertility and harmed future relationships of children too young to understand what these toxic adults are telling them.
Yay again. How funny..... 😡

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/02/2023 15:10

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/02/2023 15:06

You’ve got to hand it to posters who turn up to post goady asinine drivel and then say they’re not looking to stir anything up 🙄

aye right

I refer to this as the Posh Spice Rule. If you have to state something, it probably isn't true.

DarkDayforMN · 10/02/2023 15:10

Brefugee · 10/02/2023 15:00

I mean, blow me look at OPs user name. A guy WHO WORE MAKE UP IN THE 80s and was the furthest thing from a woman or a gay man. Bloody hell, you lot, try harder.

And they've added a true "Gen Z" regressive touch to it. Obviously the makeup wearing man was Madam not Adam!

namitynamechange · 10/02/2023 15:07

Its not gen Z that are the problem. Its normal (just as in all the examples you gave) for the younger generation to rebel against and to a certain extent "freak out" the older generations. Some of that is purely superficial (hair etc), some of it relates to real political positive change, and some off it is not such a great idea (generation identity etc). What is NOT normal is the almost worshipping of young peoples views/ideas as inherently superior/always correct and the hijacking of regular teenage/young person angst by older people with agendas. Its unbalanced and strange.

And I say this as someone who was against the Iraq war as a teenager (I think time proved me right) and at one point in my teenage years fully sold on Marx (life experience, reading more, knowing people who grew up in Communist countries has changed my mind on that).

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