You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!

Interesting that my post speculating on OP’s identity albeit rather obliquely without naming any names, was deleted so quickly. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

I don’t think I was “troll hunting,” but then I don’t think it’s ever been clearly defined what that is! But for the record I was not accusing OP of being a troll.

My Gen Z daughter thinks gender woo is bollocks but keeps her head down.

That OP is hilarious! Especially as the cool Gen Z kids aren't into all that, it's a niche fad that only involves a few less trendy (to be kind), middle-class kids. It's extremist, not mainstream.

But then came Gen Z who decided to disrupt the traditional thinking around gender. And all hell has broken loose. Gen X who thought of themselves as seriously tolerant have been massively freaked out!!!!

Judith Butler is 66, though? Jack Halberstam, Pat Califia, Gayle Rubin, Susan Stryker - all in their 60s. Christine Burns is 70. Stephen Whittle's late 60s. James Morton must be up there since he's talked about being at uni in the '80s.

As for the politicians advocating replacing sex with gender in law and policy: Nicola Sturgeon's in her fifties. Shirley-Anne Somerville, Shona Robison, Caroline Nokes, Keir Starmer, and David Lammy, too. Even the SGP honchos are getting up there - Patrick Harvie is turning 50!! Justin Trudeau and Joseph Muscat must be around 50 as well. Pablo Iglesias is in his forties and even Irene Montero is pushing 35. Enda Kenny is easily 70. And Joe Biden is 80!!

Granted, most people born in 1997-2012 or so aren't in a position (yet) to lead a country or significantly influence policy or culture as a "big name". My point is that while there's a lot of creativity and innovation and progressive activism going on in many areas, I'm really not seeing a lot new emerging in terms of "the transgender thing" (to quote your intro post) that most people here would bother to oppose. It mostly seems to be rehashings of material and thought that was emerging from academia and in cutting-edge activism and fledgeling policy institutes in the early '90s - right around, or a little before, when the first Zers were born.

"You'll be friends, you're both ten" didn't even make sense when I was ten.

It's such an odd way of categorising people anyway. I have far more in common with a person who shares my interests who is twenty years older or twenty years younger than me that I have with someone of the exact same age who shares nothing else.

That’s interesting.

I’ve been wondering if the younger zoomers are quite different to the older ones so perhaps there will be a similar micro generation identified and covid will be the differential event?

There’s actually a micro generation that spans from ‘77 to ‘83 (or thereabouts) called Xennials (people used to call us Thatcher babies) so you can let her know about that and it might make her feel better!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xennials

I'm feeling very confused now. As a very late boomer who also enjoyed raving and had some pink dungarees at uni but wouldn't necessarily have classified myself as a feminist (then) I have obviously failed miserably at being a stereotype.

You're such a wind up merchant OP.

I dunno. With this Viz references, it makes me wonder if OP is an anti-feminist MRA of the pre-TA vintage.

Remember them?

Needing a lil’ attention from mums.

This one does seem a bit weary and half-hearted though.

Is life feeling a bit flat OP?

But I will also be one if I put on a dress, or pyjamas, or nothing at all.

And a male person won't be.

Whereas if I dress as a stereotypical dungarees, docs and ethnic hat wearing woman I will indeed be a woman. But I will also be one if I put on a dress, or pyjamas, or nothing at all.

As it happens, I do sometimes wear ancient dungarees, but that's to protect the clothes below them from gardening detritus, not as a fashion statement - I try to avoid other people seeing me in them - they're for come in the door and walk straight into the shower days.

I predict OP isn't going to engage in any good faith, meaningful way, just continue to snipe and post irrelevant cartoons to make whatever point about how terribly boring and unfashionable MN GC feminists are, that they imagine they are making. And who knows WTF that is.

You don't seem to understand much of what you're talking about, OP.

Oh dear.

Right, the misunderstanding here is that what people who are critical of gender do is point out that a man presenting as a stereotypical woman doesn't make them one. And similarly, presenting as a stereotypical man doesn't make a female person male.

I don't care if men dress as stereotypically feminine as they like, as long as they don't claim to be female as a result and demand access to female only resources.

Do you remember the 80s @MadamAndTheAnts ?

Not wearing DMs or dungarees, tho. Is that the ethnic hat of which you speak? Or is it hair?

And, what the blithering hell is the relevance of this Viz caricature to anything you're trying to say? What are you trying to say??

I was surprised to learn that my sister (born in Jan '81) is technically a millennial. She remembers MTV, watching VHS tapes, owning a cassette Walkman, and the introduction of the Internet etc.

She always used to moan about hipster millennials so I think it really pissed her off. 🤭😂

OP doesn’t seem able to differentiate a few different meanings:

Under the influence of - and - drawing inspiration from

Stereotypes - and - clothing choices

Creepy (sinister, dangerous, shouldn’t be allowed need children, check their hard drive) - and - creepy (like dark woods in a children’s fairytale).

I wish Pete Burns was still around to see 2023.

Pete could be a sour old queen at times but he was fiercely bright and could see through other people’s bullshit like a laser.

He was a walking cautionary tale re: the perils of unnecessary surgical interventions and a life spent chasing the body dysmorphic dragon.

Pete was proof that you could wear whatever you wanted from the Women’s section without magically transmogrifying into a woman or changing the name on your gas bill.

The world can be very unkind to gender non conforming boys and girls and sadly, I do think a lot of the current trans stuff relates to societal and internal homophobia.

High school is truly shit but there is a big ol’ world beyond it.

"gender is just clothes."

nah, clothes exist, gender doesn't