You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!

Even the blunt statements devoid of compassion, empathy, seeing others as human, such as 'well a small number of distraught, highly damaged, sterile and chronically ill kids are worth it for the achievement of this glorious end' are pathologically indicative. Not to mention following a political tradition that to the historically aware has been involved in a whole lot of court cases, quite a lot of them at Nuremberg.

Yes. The screamed sexual violence threats, the viewing of dissenters as subhuman scum with fantasies of extreme violence and murder towards them. The enactment of it in photographs with weapons.

Normal, well people don't think or behave like this.

Reading this thread demonstrates clearly that 'tolerant' is not an appropriate word to describe some of them (though I hope Madam is not in fact in any way representative).

I'm much older than any X-er, but I am disturbed by the blatant extreme right-wing violent homophobia and misogyny demonstrated by the small subset of Gen Z that are going full Hitler Youth about this, and by the indulgence displayed toward them (so far) by the media.

Switch your brains off, play dress up, and unleash random violence on everyone outside your tiny club - it's very familiar.

Because some of them present in a traditionally feminine way

This is such a common and hilarious projection from TW, especially striking here given this OP’s evident hatred of gender nonconforming women and lesbians. Just stay out of our spaces, thanks - your outfits are irrelevant.

Like a PP, I dont intend to become "cool and tolerant" of males colonising female single sex spaces. I don't think it's "cool and tolerant" to encourage teenagers to remove sexual and reproductive function, especially when many of those encouraging, like Rachel Levine, are middle aged fathers who transitioned late. I don't think it's "cool and tolerant" for TRAs to threaten older gay men like Fred Sergeant at a rally. I don't think it's "cool and tolerant" to shut some females out of society by refusing them the right to single sex facilities that their faith, experience or trauma require. I dont think it's "cool and tolerant" to behave as the OP has done.
But then I'm female, 54, so that means I'll be dead soon and therefore my views are irrelevant.

"Do you really think such a tiny number of people are going to “set back” womanhood because some of them present in a traditionally feminine way?"

No one thinks this. It's your projected misunderstanding. No one cares if male people want to present in a traditionally feminine way. It's the regressive claim that doing so makes them female and therefore in need of accessing female only spaces/resources that is the issue. And the aggressive way that this is pursued and the aggressive way that any discussion of this by women is objected to.

You weren't as cool and tolerant as you through you were.

Personally, I’ve never thought myself to be “cool and tolerant” of male violence against women and girls and I’m proud of that. A movement that enables and excuses male violence in so many ways, from locking women up with rapists, to enabling convicted flashers to getting their dick out in front of kids with impunity, to labelling women’s words “literal violence” so that men feel entitled to respond with actual violence, is never going to be anything other than regressive. No matter how many young people are naive enough to join it.

We aren’t defending female only spaces because we are ‘freaked out’ by transgender people. That’s your projection. Do YOU think transgender people are freaky?

And no, I am not tolerant of public dick wagglers (all of whom are male, some of whom identify as transgender).

My Nan (silent) Mum (boomer) & daughters (one z one alpha) are also intolerant of public dick wagglers so it’s not a generational thing.
The advent of the internet has made certainly made ‘flashing’ easier but young women don’t like unsolicited dick pics any more than older women do 🤷‍♀️

Ill be honest

there is one thing im ‘freaked’ out by….and I’m using freaked in the upset sense

and its not anything gen z are doing because, lets face it every generation thinks they are the first to think or do anything different, think they invented sex etc

So the thing im freaked out by is the horror stories about loss of sexual function due to drugs and operations.

the idea that some youngsters are persuaded into this and will never experience sex with someone you love or fancy the pants off of (as its supposed to be) upsets me, it ‘freaks me out’ that some adults who haven’t done this to themselves and never will think its fine and dandy

and before anyone thinks its a good idea to come on and educate me about this can A) look at my use of the word ‘some’ and B) don’t bother, I’m not interested in your personal and no doubt made up experience

Yeah, the only freaking out I’m seeing from Gen X happens when TRAs are violent towards women wanting to speak or when men are waving their dicks around in spas, changing rooms, etc.. Presumably that’s the sort of thing that merits a pat on the back from the OP, but to me it looks like good old-fashioned male supremacy.

Still, you’ve got to hand it to Gen Z for freaking out the X’ers, no?

you keep saying that but you have no evidence for it at all. Lots of tattoos? meh, Blue/Pink/Purple hair? Gen X were punks ffs.
Men in dresses & make up? Gen X grew up with David Bowie, Glam Rock, Lily Savage, Dame Edna, Danny la Rue, Adam Ant (yeah), Boy George.

Our schtick was: wear a dress and make up if you want. They are people clothes and you're people.

Most Gen X i know are really cross about reinforcing the gender stereotypes we fought so hard to banish.

And that is without starting on racial and sexual inclusivity and equality that has made real progress in our lifetimes.

Pesonally? I'm alternately laughing at them for thinking they're so edgy and original, shaking my head in sadness that these (equality, look how you like) battles are going to have to be fought and won. Again. Laughing at the absoulte batshittery of being scared to use a men's toilet (as a trans woman), shaking with fear and shock if they are "misgendered". Their inability to be in a town with women who are talking about their opinions on the current thinking/laws/situations without screeching, shouting and threatening. And so on and so on.

OP, you are presumably of the age of those you deem ‘freaked out’.

Is there something you need to talk about?

Very few people are ‘walking stereotypes’ - keeping up the pretence 24/7 probably impossible.

Are you finding it difficult to keep up the pretence?

What a truly vile sentence that last one was, to post on a feminist board on a site called Mumsnet.

Ah

careful 🤐

The OP's prose style reminded me of a certain former newsreader....

I actually thought the castration anxiety expressed by the OP's choice of cartoons suggests the TRA type of MRA we usually get on this board, although perhaps one of the old codger types who's been explicitly anti-feminist in the past.

The younger ones usually pretend to be feminists, and wouldn't deploy the same tropes.

(I genuinely have no idea if this is "troll hunting!" I'm talking types not individuals so it shouldn't be?)

This.

Makes me quite nostalgic for y misogynist flatmate at university who thought, "lesbian" was an insult. Bless his ignorant little heart.

Now I’m nostalgic for the days when a ‘testicle bearer’ meant Buster Gonad’s wheelbarrow.

those Viz cartoons were like a sledgehammer and only repeating tropes and caricatures that were done far better by Private Eye in their Wimmin strip.

I wear docs and dungarees. So do most of the Gen Zs i know. Docs and dresses, docs and miniskirts docs and bloody everything. It means nothing at all.

Sorry I missed it now!