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You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!

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MadamAndTheAnts · 10/02/2023 14:30

I know the whole transgender thing causes a lot of debate on Mumsnet. I’m not looking to stir that up here. But, regardless of where you stand, I think we all have to hand it to Gen Z for managing to freak out older generations so effectively.

Boomers spooked the Silent Generation with their love of rock n roll and the counterculture of the 60s.

Gen X framed the Boomers with acid house and rave.

Millennials were kinda lame as ‘hipster’ was little more than irony and beards.

Millennials and Gex thought they’d seen it all and were cool and tolerant.

But then came Gen Z who decided to disrupt the traditional thinking around gender. And all hell has broken loose. Gen X who thought of themselves as seriously tolerant have been massively freaked out!!!!

You have to hand it to Gen Z!!!

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MrGHardy · 14/02/2023 08:33

It isn't Gen Z, it is millennials doing this. This popped up big time in the 2010s, maybe more so from the second half onwards (especially if you look at children presenting as trans). In 2015 say how old do you think Gen Z were? Gen Z are just growing up in an age of social media where this ideology is being pushed, but it is being pushed by other people and because they are gullible kids they are just taking it for granted.

But kudos getting so many replies for what is hardly more than trolling.

Vintagevixen · 13/02/2023 19:14

@MadamAndTheAnts go back to Twitter! Pronto! We know you're a TRA/MRA.

blubberyboo · 13/02/2023 14:44

@MadamAndTheAnts

using words like “cool and tolerant”
is just manipulation of minds. You think if you label someone as being intolerant it sets them out as being not a nice person and others will conform to your way of thinking because they are scared to be labelled as bad like that person. The buzz word of the generation is “cancelled”but the true meaning is “silencing”.

we’ve already seen this throughout history in various societies, religions and cults.
It helps sell an ideology and ensures people are kept quiet.

In Afghanistan now the Taliban is keeping women in their place by using organised religion as their tool. In developed societies that tool has been obliterated so the only way to keep women and girls controlled and silent is to give them a label as phobic. Being “phobic of men” is never going to work so they have to label them as being phobic of men in some other way, so that they can get access to their vulnerabilities and exploit them. You know the old saying “ if you can’t beat them, join them”. This is exactly what’s happening here.

all of your posts demonstrate this. You see this as a competition to get one over on women. A challenge to be won. You love seeing women freaked out and outraged because you hate them. You don’t have coherent arguments, as any objection raised you can deal with it by using a put down name. Nor do you care if it is the right thing for society or for the entire female population. For you it is about the winning and seeing women put in their place.

Rather than being cool and tolerant I put it to you that gender ideology isnt good for society at all and is actually a form of womanphobia.

blubberyboo · 13/02/2023 13:50

@MadamAndTheAnts

“adopting an identity” is the biggest bullshit line you’ve ever been sold

the word identity just means the qualities about you. Your looks, your age, your sex, your moles, your personality. Everyone has an identity. Nobody needs to change their identity nor conform to anyone’s else’s ideology. You can’t create new social identities to make a group or collective out of it. It’s all just another form of religion to control people. Divide and rule and ensure everyone conforms to compelled speech and no free thinking.

for that reason alone it is regressive not progressive. Powerful people can’t control the masses through religion anymore so now they are trying this.

we see it and we think you all identify as sheep

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/02/2023 12:32

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/02/2023 08:49

Ill be honest

there is one thing im ‘freaked’ out by….and I’m using freaked in the upset sense

and its not anything gen z are doing because, lets face it every generation thinks they are the first to think or do anything different, think they invented sex etc

So the thing im freaked out by is the horror stories about loss of sexual function due to drugs and operations.

the idea that some youngsters are persuaded into this and will never experience sex with someone you love or fancy the pants off of (as its supposed to be) upsets me, it ‘freaks me out’ that some adults who haven’t done this to themselves and never will think its fine and dandy

and before anyone thinks its a good idea to come on and educate me about this can A) look at my use of the word ‘some’ and B) don’t bother, I’m not interested in your personal and no doubt made up experience

Ahh but Rufus we should apparently chillax because -

It's only a small % of people, and
It's their choice, innit?

Confused
tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/02/2023 12:27

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/02/2023 12:25

Wow. Young people removing perfectly working and healthy body parts and taking medication which will mean they cannot gestate a child? Replacing real body parts with pretend ones? Never having an orgasm? That's ok?

And in terms of your "small %" claim it's very, very early days. Let's review in 20 years and I'm not sure you'll want to be cheerleading like this.

All in the name of the nonsense bollocks of gender

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 13/02/2023 12:25

Wow. Young people removing perfectly working and healthy body parts and taking medication which will mean they cannot gestate a child? Replacing real body parts with pretend ones? Never having an orgasm? That's ok?

And in terms of your "small %" claim it's very, very early days. Let's review in 20 years and I'm not sure you'll want to be cheerleading like this.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 13/02/2023 10:41

Dick wagglers are deffo freaky.

DarkDayforMN · 13/02/2023 10:36

;)

Ew.

MadamAndTheAnts · 13/02/2023 10:24

DarkDayforMN · 12/02/2023 13:28

Pleasure in “freaking out” women is an aspect of some paraphilias.

You guys…. ;)

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Brefugee · 13/02/2023 08:47

TBH i think it's more the other way round: Gen X has really freaked Gen Z so much their brains have turned to musn

#NotAllGenZers

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 13/02/2023 08:42

MadamAndTheAnts · 13/02/2023 08:17

Sure: Gen Z freaked you out

😀

thats all youve got isn’t it…....thats funny

Vintagevixen · 13/02/2023 08:33

OP I'll say it again - scurry back to twitter where you can be surrounded by your MRA friends. Byeeee!

MadamAndTheAnts · 13/02/2023 08:17

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/02/2023 15:49

Do you really think such a tiny number of people are going to “set back” womanhood because some of them present in a traditionally feminine way?

A core skill when you wish to debate a subject is understanding and being able to coherently outline the other side's point.

You can't coherently explain your own.

Sure: Gen Z freaked you out

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MrsTerryPratchett · 12/02/2023 15:49

Do you really think such a tiny number of people are going to “set back” womanhood because some of them present in a traditionally feminine way?

A core skill when you wish to debate a subject is understanding and being able to coherently outline the other side's point.

You can't coherently explain your own.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 12/02/2023 13:31

to be fair to Madam he clearly did not want to be left wing and despised me for it.

DarkDayforMN · 12/02/2023 13:28

Pleasure in “freaking out” women is an aspect of some paraphilias.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/02/2023 13:22

And they think they are left wing when they are in fact bit part players in a capitalist, multi million dollar industry coming from the U.S.A.

WandaWomblesaurus · 12/02/2023 13:20

"Freaked out"
Yeah maybe.
I'm pretty freaked out by people amputating body parts.

Must be something wrong with me.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/02/2023 13:17

They are mostly useful idiots in the promotion of an ideology they don’t understand the implications of.

FKATondelayo · 12/02/2023 13:12

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 12/02/2023 09:27

I'm much older than any X-er, but I am disturbed by the blatant extreme right-wing violent homophobia and misogyny demonstrated by the small subset of Gen Z that are going full Hitler Youth about this, and by the indulgence displayed toward them (so far) by the media.

Switch your brains off, play dress up, and unleash random violence on everyone outside your tiny club - it's very familiar.

Yep

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 12/02/2023 12:11

Making up new definitions for words is a core technique of the idealogues.

Brefugee · 12/02/2023 11:32

I'll bite again, though. I would like OP to define their term "freaked out" because, to use an excellent Gen X quote "you keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means"

You’ve got to hand it to Gen Z!!
Brefugee · 12/02/2023 11:27

In sum: they freaked you out.

I've been polite. I am here because i wanted to answer your facile, idiotic and completely stupidly wrong assertion.
I am not freaked out by much. I've been around the block quite a few times and I've seen a lot.

You'd have a better discussion if you left off the idiotic statements like that.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2023 09:47

”Even the blunt statements devoid of compassion, empathy, seeing others as human, such as 'well a small number of distraught, highly damaged, sterile and chronically ill kids are worth it for the achievement of this glorious end' are pathologically indicative.”

Yes. It doesn’t take much reading of OP’s posts to see this. The glee that a poster is taking in the damage done to the bodies of our loved ones is really clear. The use of ‘still born’ on this site just sealed the deal on the misogyny behind the posts as well.

Once they show you who they are, believe them.