Keir Starmer confirms Labour will push ahead with self ID (7th Feb 2023)

Petition Parliament to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ is biological, not sex as modified by a GRC.

The current Equality Act permitted discrimination for sex-based exemptions are no longer clear, due to ambiguity about sex and ‘legal’ sex, and the conflation of sex and gender.

If Labour gets in they will bring in self-ID and the problem will get worse.

Let’s try to mitigate the damage by anyone who hasn’t already done so signing and sharing⬇️

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

If a party's policies were based on the moon being made of green cheese or cold fusion being a realistic prospect during the next parliamentary term, I imagine most people would be quite understanding that I felt I couldn't vote for them (nor trust anything else they had to say).

GRR in Ireland now means women who already face social punishment could face criminal punishment
for daring to say that biological sex is real. It is the nightmare becoming reality and is terrifying. You could see a stark bollock naked male in front of you in the changing room and he's allowed to expose himself to a room full of women and children. But if a woman dares to point out the truth she could face criminal prosecution. No fucking way do I want that.

Cantthinkofabetternameforhere · Today 13:55

Would you still think data about sex for less than 1% of the population the most important issue of you had a serious emergency and couldn't get an ambulance because they're on strike because this government don't pay people properly?

I would think ignoring 51% of the population in order to virtue signal about 0.1% male trans rights to enter women’s sex based spaces;

the endorsement of meaningless ideological language and thought infiltrating every public body including schools;

promoting the indoctrination of children, and the gaslighting going on,

to be a strong indicator of a party that shouldn’t be voted for

as some of this thinking will infect everything they do.

And for me this goes for the Conservatives too if they don’t do more to stop all this fast. For example, Keegan needs to be taken off schools.

Precisely. The greens are front and centre of it all in Scotland.

I don't think anyone who suggests voting Green or Lib Dem if you don't want to see self ID is worth taking seriously.

Transgender people dont erase women.

No, but giving the unfettered access to all areas makes life difficult and uncomfortable for an awful lot of women. There are loads and loads of reports of men in women's changing rooms in shops, playing with themselves, for example.

That's not to mention women being edged out of sports, or being locked up with violent and sexual offenders, who claim to be women, when they're men playing the system.

Self-ID doesn't erase everything women have fought for over the centuries though. There isn't a special clause that says women no longer have any rights or don't exist. There's space for women to keep their rights and for trans people to be treated fairly.

Transgender people dont erase women. You don't suddenly cease to exist if you go to Ireland, pretty sure woman there still have rights.

I am in the UK! And I am not a man (or a trans man, or a trans woman for that matter!)

Cantthinkofabetternameforhere · Today 13:24

I don't necessarily think it's a rosy picture but I think in the list if issues that disproportionately negatively affect women, this isn't the biggest one. Voting Tory as a 'protest' against Labour has bigger consequences. At least vote Green or Lib dem...

If you don't feel that you could vote Labour, as a result of them promoting self ID, why on Earth would you vote Green, or Lib Dem, when they're far more aggressive in their stance on the matter?

I am in the UK and use the NHS, but the point I'm making is that the Conservative government are on the way to a privatised system. The whole thing is failing and without more money some kind of privatisation will be peddled as the only sensible option.

Beat me to it

Oh, you're from outside the UK, telling us what's okay for us, are you? And are you male?

I don't necessarily think it's a rosy picture but I think in the list if issues that disproportionately negatively affect women, this isn't the biggest one.

You don't think that the erasure of sex categories, which have been understood and recognised and around which societies the world over have organised for thousands of years, is an important change? You don't think that striking out or making irrelevant all the rights that women fought so hard for is an astounding act of metaphorical violence against women? You don't see it as massively problematic that a policy that is based on a fundamental lie — that someone born male can become, in any sense, female — can be allowed to prevail? If we can't trust politicians to acknowledge the existence of two discrete, immutable sexes — something that people have understood for millennia — then what can we trust them with? If we step over this line we're I 1984 territory.

What health insurance premiums? Like most people in the UK I rely on the NHS and I certainly want to be in a same sex ward with the option of same sex care if I end up in hospital. Are you in the UK but lucky enough to afford private healthcare insurance (although even then there are no guarantees)?

I thought that nothing could ever convince me to vote Conservative, but I was wrong.

Self- ID and this policy doesn't exist in a vacuum

Careful, you almost sound like you’re getting it.

Self- ID and this policy doesn't exist in a vacuum, and voting decisions based on self-ID have wider implications.

Would you still think data about sex for less than 1% of the population the most important issue of you had a serious emergency and couldn't get an ambulance because they're on strike because this government don't pay people properly?

If self ID doesn’t matter and isn’t an important issue, why don’t TRAs agree it doesn’t matter, back the fuck off, and tell Starmer to walk back his wildly unpopular policy so he can maximise the Labour vote? Why can’t Labour be pragmatic on this issue since it’s so small and insignificant when you compare it to saving the Health Service?

You’ll regret this frivolous insistence on a vanity birth certificate when you’re selling your organs to a billionaire for food under the next Tory government, you mark my words.

if your neighbour was seriously assaulted by her male partner

Seriously? In a debate about self-ID?!

It's not just 1% who are affected though is it? It's 51%. It affects all of us biological women if we are expected to allow male-bodied strangers into our intimate spaces if they say the magic words "I am a woman".

Would you still think data about sex for less than 1% of the population the most important issue of you had a serious emergency and couldn't get an ambulance because they're on strike because this government don't pay people properly?

Or if your neighbour was seriously assaulted by her male partner because there's no longer enough police to deal with domestic issues?

But none it matters as long as the sub-1% of people are under control!

It is the biggest issue. It fucks up everything it touches. And that's the point of self-ID - to ruin data and truth, and to silence dissent.

Greens/Lib Dems no way on this earth would I vote for them.