Scottish police defy Nicola Sturgeon over trans self-ID law

Look, it's because you're one of those boring repressed pearl clutcher old fashioned types of woman.

Happily, one of the new improved Turbo-Cock 3000 special women can show you how to woman properly.

It's not that the shop is mentioned that is odd though is it or the fact that there has been a link to a crime.

It's the nature of the crime and the character of the butcher plus the link to JKR that is odd.

I don't think it's particularly odd that JKR mentioned his shop in one of her Strike novels. She has mentioned hundreds of real locations throughout this series so it's bound to happen that one of them will be linked to a current crime at some point.

Obviously nobody has saved up the women’s prison scandals or this abduction for this time, but I wonder if these things have been happening all along but the press has been silenced

The press were silenced. There were loads of events like this reported, with female names but a picture that showed otherwise, then someone had a thought and they could not put pictures up, but we knew. It's the kinds of crimes that gave it away.

Cant remember which group it is that gets these rules into the press. But that group is still going. I do not know what has happened to make so much of the press take no notice now. It's very strange how now they have no problem reporting what males do but before Christmas they didnt/couldnt/wouldnt.

Well given there are already over a hundred genders, according to the Beeb, Scotland just wants to expand the list, in less than a fortnight they've added..

• rapist
• individual
• butcher

LBC picking up on it now:

Scottish cops refer to arrested transgender butcher as 'man' despite Sturgeon's controversial gender reform attempts

www.lbc.co.uk/news/sturgeon-transgender-reform-butcher-arrest/

This arrest is different. By all accounts this person had been openly living as a TW for years, was part of the trans community, was accepted locally as a TW. They can't disown this one as a pretender. This might be the start of some people having to admit what we all know - that there are predatory individuals in every community and that you cannot, as Maggie Chapman has done, declare trans people as a whole to be safe.

Yes, this arrest is very different. Which makes the police referring to him as a man even more significant. How can Isla Bryson be a woman and Amy Grant be a man?

I wonder if it's the case that editors have simply been toeing the line, through fear, but that the "Isla Bryson" case has now emboldened them to write more plainly? In that they were fearful of sanction, by describing males as women?

I do wonder when butcher became a gender though....

Crikey, I saw ‘53 yr old man charged after child disappearance’ and just assumed he was her dad. The ages seemed to fit.

I take it there’s a different story in this case.

Can we have touchy feely bits too? Feel a bit yuck writing that.

This is hilarious.
I think we need this in book form 😁.
Maybe Mole at the door can create something...

That could be why the shop has a copy of the Career of Evil in the window.

Published Oct 2015
Televised Autumn 2017

Very odd.

I proper laughed at this. Depressing as fuck that it is true.

The Mail article says the actual butcher shop was featured in a JKR Strike book!

Knew the DM would be along shortly - seems to be pretty prominently placed online too.

Sturgeon will obviously refuse to comment as it's an ongoing case. But that won't stop the questions being asked or the stories being published.

🤔

It's interesting how often a certain group of men frequently feature photos of themselves in their underwear on Facebook. I've never posted a photo of myself with my whole bra on display, and neither have any of my female friends.

I wonder what the difference is?

Mail headline:

"Police Scotland defy Nicola Sturgeon's gender self-ID drive by calling transgender butcher arrested over disappearance of 11-year-old girl a man - as embattled First Minister is engulfed by trans row"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11726165/Police-Scotland-defy-Sturgeons-gender-self-ID-drive-calling-transgender-butcher-suspect-man.html

And the other thread has been reinstated

I won't comment on this case given the person has been charged.

The public needs to have faith in the police and the judiciary, and to an extent, the media.

What will happen if people start to think that they can't trust the police to be honest, the judiciary to be impartial, and the media to report accurately?

This stuff erodes society. It's incredibly damaging, and not just to the Scottish government, but to the whole of our social structures - and to trans people.

We need honesty, openness and accountability. We also need logic and fairness.

Basically we need the people who are supposed to be governing, policing and reporting our society to do the jobs they are entrusted to do.

Aaaaaaaand it has hit the daily mail. The sunlight is blinding.

@FactsAreNotMean

Absolutely.

We know the cost of having a "sacred cast".

We cannot assume that ANY group of people who share a characteristic, will never be a danger.

Not all teachers are predators, but all teachers have to be DBS checked. I don't cry out at the indignity of having my records checked, because I'm female and have never committed a crime. I accept that it is a necessary part of the safeguarding of children.

Without any presumption of guilt etc etc

This is in some ways a much more challenging case for the overall trans community. Isla Bryson is a huge problem politically and has driven a horse and cart through the "nobody would pretend to be trans" argument. But (despite the arguments for years that you are what you say you are) pretty much nobody actually believes Isla is anything other than a chancer, right? Prison onset gender dysphoria...

But many people have still maintained a cognitive dissonance- Isla isn't real trans, real trans people are super vulnerable, etc etc. They can agree it shows a weakness in the self ID law but distinguish that from what they think of as real transfolk.

This arrest is different. By all accounts this person had been openly living as a TW for years, was part of the trans community, was accepted locally as a TW. They can't disown this one as a pretender. This might be the start of some people having to admit what we all know - that there are predatory individuals in every community and that you cannot, as Maggie Chapman has done, declare trans people as a whole to be safe.

It's really interesting to look on the BBC page with the Scottish paper front pages. Lots of them have about a "trans" person having being arrested. The BBC has steadfastly not commented on it, despite it being the main story for many of the papers.

Yes, he was following it all, that's true.

There could be a load of pent up, frustrated tw criminals, for sure.

Or maybe it's just more common than people think and/or the press reporting has ramped up.