Maya’s response to Radical Notion’s GC divisions

That is really interesting dungs.

Because maybe people like Lorelei, if there is any like her, is the reason that there seems to be more balance in the quarterly magazines?

If I remember rightly, regarding our concerns about teenaged boys sharing tents with girls at Girl Guides, Whittle thought you just need to supply the kids with condoms and be done with it.

One poster on that thread recommended sturdy pyjamas, that's how much allies of TRAs value child safeguarding.

This is exactly what I think when I read Sheila Jeffreys or listen to Helen Joyce. I am in awe of their powers of articulation to take all this complex analysis and bash out point after point in such a clear and accessible way. Both incredibly intelligent women.

This sociopathic vibe is why I find ‘Trans Britain’ so hard going to read. They are all the same.

Agree. I see it as part of the pathology.

They should offer Swhittle a spot in The Radical Notion.

They probably will.

Not read the other thread and not sure if this has been posted, but it is by hatpin woman:

loreleihatpin.substack.com/p/disputes-and-kumbaya?sd=pf

I’m a member of the editorial team at the Radical Notion, and a feminist, but before publication I read the pamphlet and asked for my name to be removed from it. I think it’s important for every woman to speak for herself on these kinds of knotty issues and my position on it is not the same position as the one the Radical Notion took.

Not sure what a shire wife is, hope it involves hanging out with one of these lovelies: www.royalparks.org.uk/whats-on/blog/meet-richmond-parks-shire-horses

Compare and contrast the wordy waffle of the pure academic feminists with those at the coalface, ie Southall Sisters.

That Debbie is definitely Hayton.

Debbie posted for a while but it became clear that his presence was seen as a contributing to a negative atmosphere and women made that clear

If he’s still here it’s lurking or with a secret username.

IIRC, there has been a count-on-one-hand-number of male TS posters since the 2018 GRA consultation stuff who were positive contributors.
They’ve all excused themselves realising that this isn’t their space and that they need to deal with the bad actors in their community and fight unwelcome law changes via their own specific activism, not involving themselves in ours (shout out to Jennie, Leanne & especially Hamster wherever you are!)

Hmmm. If it was Debbie from Bristol...

Yes, sociopathy is clearly a major factor.

I find it interesting seeing this comment on page 11

*too often

Agreed. In my opinion this always sorts the academic wheat from the chaff when all to often the aim is to bamboozle the reader with the authors intellect. Really intelligent people can simplify the complex.

They should offer Swhittle a spot in The Radical Notion.

We were (grimly) joking about Sturdy Pyjamas as a sexual assault prevention method for months following Professor Whittle’s Peculiar Mumsnet Lectures.

There was a suicide-baiting in the Guardian episode that spilled over here too.

Haven't made it through a single one of Whittle's stream -of-consciousness ramblings. Dunno what I expected from a professor, but not that.

If anyone is in direct contact with the women named in Swhittle’s posts, who I’ve counted up as Hadley Freeman, Julie Bindel, Helen Joyce, Posie, Doc Stock, Suzanne Moore, Sheila Jeffreys & Caroline Farrow (have I missed any) it might be worth dropping them a casual heads up? Whittle should know better than to trash public feminist figures from he* own profile.

Bit gauche innit?

How did I miss that thread in 2018?

I imagine that being retired means that SW can post what she wants where she wants now that she doesn't have to worry about bringing her institution into disrepute by publicly asserting that it's okay to con people.

Yes it’s sociopathic isn’t it?

it made me think of what you said upthread:

“the trans lesbian who turns up on a lesbian-only camping weekend in pink micro shorts, a strappy top and an M&S lady-fleece while all the lesbians are wearing cargo pants and men's shorts and walking boots and beanies.”

There’s no empathy with the people whose trust is breached.

This sociopathic vibe is why I find ‘Trans Britain’ so hard going to read. They are all the same.

Yeah, how come our side aren't allowed to just wave our hands and say “oh, the GC community is as diverse as any other community, outliers always exist” ? We're supposed to police every single person who turns up at a rally who once bought a copy of the Daily Express.

What I'm reading, in my 10-minute tea break (who am I kidding, I'll be at least half an hour) is someone who thinks that being transgender or being different means that you shouldn't be held to the same expectations of honesty and decency as the rest of the population. You're a trans woman who's joined an extreme right faction and then murdered someone — it's down to the fact that you were lonely and the only people who befriended you were murderous fascists. It's as if Whittle is arguing that transpeople aren't responsible adults like ordinary criminals.

Likewise the example of the TW who invented a drink problem in order to rise through the ranks of AA. Which suggests that SW thinks it's perfectly fine for transpeople to dupe people for their own purposes. As I, in the lesbian community, can attest happens all the time. It really is a case of, if it'll make you feel better about yourself, transpeople, do it and don't worry about the ethics or the damage you cause because none of the social rules apply to you.

Direct link to the SW profile:

www.reddit.com/u/1955Stephen/

and here’s the thread from when SW popped up here to lecture the Bad, Non Compliant Mummies:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

same username.

I think I’ve got all the relevant bits off the Reddit profile already but I do think it’s important that wimms be able to look at the direct source - plus perhaps I’ve missed something important because I don’t know all the lore!

Whittle recently retired so perhaps is just bored and wandering the internet seeking out validation!

I find it so chilling, hearing/reading these people wittering on and they seem to have have part of their brain missing - a conscience.

Like the friend who pretended to be a recovering alcoholic for years to be part of the AA. What a loon. But she rationalises extremely odd behaviour with barely any thought about the people deceived.

All the hyperlinks to SW on the Trans Whos Who website are dead and I assumed that Swhittle must’ve ordered takedowns for privacy reasons.

Maybe there has been some sort of cognitive decline (we don’t know the long term effects of FtM transition but early hysterectomy has been linked with early onset dementia in women who don’t take cross sex hormones…)?

Or maybe there is the misplaced assumption that terves can’t read Reddit? I assume trans discussion groups of years gone by were tightly locked down and it might not have occurred to Whittle that the new internet is bit different? 🤣

Ah, the poor ultra-right-wing murderous transpeople who have been sadly influenced by online crap line of defence, I see.