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Maya’s response to Radical Notion’s GC divisions

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HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 07/02/2023 17:12

I thought this was a very interesting answer to the recent issue of RN.

Shout out to the vipers and their Mumsnet Feminism within!

mforstater.medium.com/on-gender-critical-disputes-db2e456ad9cd

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AlisonDonut · 07/02/2023 17:50

In a choice between being part of an ideologically pure sisterhood and pragmatic and effective impact, I would chose impact.

Erm...so Maya is also a Farage Feminist?

Apparently, so.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/02/2023 18:00

There are some minor points☆ I'd quibble with in that article, but the overall message is spot on. Pragmatism will get us much further than rigid ideology.

☆ A small number of the things she mentions as biologically baked-in patriarchy are not actually universal (so could in theory change - although they would require a massive shift in society and attitudes for 99% of the world, so I don’t by any means expect it to happen; and the change might well not be for the better).

And I don't think men in women's clothes are inherently funny or ridiculous - as long as everybody is clear that they are men in clothes and that putting on a garment that one particular culture and time period thinks of (for no good reason) as 'female' doesn't actually change anything about the wearer. The fabric is not the problem.

AlisonDonut · 07/02/2023 17:50

In a choice between being part of an ideologically pure sisterhood and pragmatic and effective impact, I would chose impact.

Erm...so Maya is also a Farage Feminist?

KatMcBundleFace · 07/02/2023 17:50

I'm exhausted by by the ridiculous infighting. Agree with Maya here.

DodoPatrol · 07/02/2023 17:48

Hmm.

I agree with some of that. But not this bit:
So too is the ability to mock and laugh (which is a means of saying that something isn’t right). None of this should be forbidden.

My family have been variously mocked and pointed at for being gay; autistic; ginger; tall; physically disabled. None of that mockery is a true indicator that 'something isn't right'.

Floisme · 07/02/2023 17:48

I think the really clever people are the ones who can express complex issues in words that everyone can understand.

Vargas · 07/02/2023 17:46

Wow, Maya has expressed very clearly how I feel about this whole movement.

Much as I respect academic feminists like JCJ with their big words and long sentences, I don't have the concentration, the time or perhaps the intellectual capacity to read and understand their work.

I don't agree with every single word of every single person in the GC movement, and we all have different hills to die on and lines we will not cross, but I feel like we have a lot of major common goals and the more people pushing towards them the better.

dinosauriam · 07/02/2023 17:45

Thanks for the link. I totally agree with Maya. The harm to children and teenagers is indeed pressing.

KohlaParasaurus · 07/02/2023 17:44

Maya is formidable. I am grateful.

Floisme · 07/02/2023 17:43

Thank you for the link. What an interesting article and what will be almost as interesting is watching to see who retweets it and who doesn't Wink

ChubbyNinja · 07/02/2023 17:39

Thanks, Maya has clearly explained what is going on - I've been reading for days to try and get my head around it.

I stand with Maya! And Mumsnet!

beastlyslumber · 07/02/2023 17:36

Thank you for sharing this. It's fab and I totally agree with Maya on this stuff. Better to have impact than to be ideologically pure.

EpicChaos · 07/02/2023 17:36

There seems to be a lot of wonky maths going on where this subject is concerned - 1 = 0! 2 + 2 = 5! ??? !!!

I'm afraid the clock just struck 13 and i don't much like this game of Numberwang!

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/02/2023 17:32

Thanks. Maya has perfectly expressed so much of what I think/feel on the issues.

bellinisurge · 07/02/2023 17:17

Thanks for posting this