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Helloprint has suddenly refused to supply stickers to Kellie-Jay Keen

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IwantToRetire · 04/02/2023 01:07

The main source to this story is the Daily Mail:

The firm also made a T-shirt designed by Ms Keen and worn by JK Rowling which described First Minister Nicola Sturgeon as a 'Destroyer of women's rights' over the controversial Gender Recognition Act.

But now the company - who has accepted £75,000 of orders from the cause - now says they are 'offensive material'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11709415/Anger-woke-firm-refuses-print-stickers-defining-women-adult-human-females-trans-row.html

Although there is a twitter thread about this mobile.twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1620102242396409857

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Naunet · 04/02/2023 11:03

MargaritaPie · 04/02/2023 02:54

Might be something to do with the fact KJK's stickers are being primarily used to deface public property and to harass and spread fear against transpeople which leads to violence?

gaycitynews.com/anti-trans-stickers-surface-in-hamilton-heights/

😂 maybe it’s time you put on your big by pants buttercup. Women are not responsible for male violence, and neither are fucking stickers!!

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 11:02

I was going to say ‘wouldn’t that mean entering Scotland?’ ….

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/02/2023 10:58

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lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 10:58

What worries me about the event tomorrow is that these men are enraged by what has happened in the last week in Scotland.

I hope that they don't escalate.

As for the stickering company, well as a business it is really up to them, but I would imagine they have been put under pressure to decline to provide from people who really don't like women speaking.

SinnerBoy · 04/02/2023 10:34

I should think that the Furry Gang will opt to avoid the violent Nazis and harass the women instead. It makes perfect sense for them, as they won't be beaten up by women.

That's less likely to be the case with the Nazis and football hooligans.

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 10:33

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 10:22

The furries/violent protesters in Glasgow face a difficult decision tomorrow. Protest at an actual fascist event or....shout at women. Hmm, I wonder which one they'll pick.

twitter.com/WitchyMcWitch/status/1621813887728340992?s=20&t=oZ4AtHS7TctdHig4LvYHRg

@MargaritaPie which one are you going to? 😂😂😂

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 10:29

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/02/2023 10:15

Well, you were right. @BleepBipBoop managed to (somewhat) derail this thread. Go figure.

However, I think Iwanf has confused two lemons.

Swan posts here often. I think OP may have the wrong lemon in mind.

twitterexile · 04/02/2023 10:28

Hoping that the media spotlight will be on these woman hating incels due to the recent exposure of SNP prison policy. They will not disappoint and I envisage hordes of angry, overfed young men in knee socks and miniskirts clutching their 'kill women' signs as they spit and screech in the faces of the brave women protesters. It will be a horror show and will make very good copy so will be reported widely. My fear is that a woman will be hurt.

SinnerBoy · 04/02/2023 10:26

RinklyRomaine · Today 08:14

Nope. You need to have a clearer look. Women saying no is in no way comparable to the rape and death threats the gender y regularly indulge in. The 'both sides' thing is claptrap.

The speech from the two sides is in no way comparable and anyone who says so is a liar, or crashingly ignorant. Yes, Keir Starmer, I AM addressing you.

Women saying "No," cannot be compared fairly to TRA zealots threatening assault, rape and murder, as well as actual assaults.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 10:22

The furries/violent protesters in Glasgow face a difficult decision tomorrow. Protest at an actual fascist event or....shout at women. Hmm, I wonder which one they'll pick.

twitter.com/WitchyMcWitch/status/1621813887728340992?s=20&t=oZ4AtHS7TctdHig4LvYHRg

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 04/02/2023 10:15

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Well, you were right. @BleepBipBoop managed to (somewhat) derail this thread. Go figure.

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 10:09

I also have found this week that there are posters on AIBU who think simply writing condescending posts about how ignorant people are (often using those same negative words of dogwhistle, anti trans etc) and then indicate that they ‘know’ things should not be challenged.

It is hilarious really. The word ignorant being thrown around, often with derisory comments about the Daily Mail. And then when information is posted and dissection of what has been posted as so called evidence by those calling others ignorant happens, the poster flounces or claims some strange victory while writing barely have posted more than a few sentences at a time usually with absolutely no credible substance.

And this is on AIBU threads. There is a complete disconnect.

I can’t understand why people complain about the FWR board being especially combative. After the threads in AiBU this week, I find the FWR board to generally have honest posts from regulars. They might be as blunt as fuck but they are honest and based on fact not supposition and emotional manipulation.

So my thank you to the FWR regulars for the sanity, the persistence and the honesty. I would rather be told blunt honest facts than deal with these gaslighting tactics that seem more prevalent this week.

HopRockers · 04/02/2023 10:02

They're entitled to take/refuse whatever work they want but they seem to have the PR instincts of a peanut! Now "both sides" have a reason to take their business elsewhere & KJK is making hay 🤩☀️

FOJN · 04/02/2023 09:43

Am I missing something?

Yes, at least a decade of history, probably more. I arrived at this debate over 5 years ago and there was so much that had already happened I felt like I was late to the party even then.

Your point will have some merit when you can produce these kind of receipts:

terfisaslur.com/

If we lack the tact we once had it's because we've had enough now.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 09:41

picklemewalnuts · 04/02/2023 09:30

The humour here is so gentle too. I mean sharp and witty, but gentle.
Jokes about overworked support dogs, and soggy bundles.

None of this 'jokes' about women being splattered over car windows like a sack of baked beans, or whatever it said about driving a car into women protesters.

Ah yes, the 'jokes' about driving a car into a rally so that women would be splatted across the windscreen like baked beans, 'jokes' about killing Rosie Duffield with a gun and 'jokes' about killing JKR with a hammer. The 'jokes' about battering TERFS. And all these 'jokes' are seemingly acceptable in a culture where women are seen as fair target.

But we somehow keep getting told both sides.

twitterexile · 04/02/2023 09:40

So worried about KJK tomorrow. Wish I could go.

picklemewalnuts · 04/02/2023 09:30

The humour here is so gentle too. I mean sharp and witty, but gentle.
Jokes about overworked support dogs, and soggy bundles.

None of this 'jokes' about women being splattered over car windows like a sack of baked beans, or whatever it said about driving a car into women protesters.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 04/02/2023 09:30

picklemewalnuts · 04/02/2023 08:44

It's the shock of women speaking bluntly rather than what they say. It's tone policing.

It's so rare for women to just baldly state what is, and isn't, and to not give a damn about the feelings of the audience.

Tone has a place when we are trying to persuade.
This board isn't an exercise in persuasive writing though. It's a place women can express themselves freely. Without being policed for tone.

Well said

BenCoopersSupportWren · 04/02/2023 09:28

Let’s hope some posters never stumble across the r/googlyeyes sub-Reddit, they’ll need to take to their fainting couch.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 09:26

Looking even just at the news today, the KJK event in Glasgow is being protested by Furries and folk in masks who intend to sing and scream in order to drown out the women speaking at the event -

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-minister-throwing-petrol-fire-29110119

It's a stark example of women not being allowed to speak. And this being backed by our elected representatives.

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 09:25

This week I have come across a whole slew of new posters who have really been interesting.

They come onto a thread use words like echo chamber, anti trans, dog whistle, entrenched and then claim they have ‘no agenda’. They seriously think using words like that are not negative.

It is gaslighting.

No person who has a supposed balanced view could view using entrenched and echo chamber as being neutral.

The old ‘daily mail’ reader put down is hilarious too. I notice though one regular poster who joined in the ‘daily mail is right wing’ never came back to point out where the daily mail article was factually wrong or had misinterpreted the situation it reported. Nor did they come back with information on how Julie Bindel was now right wing….

No. This week has been enlightening. I put it down to frustration that some extremists have had to admitting to themselves that the mantra of TW are women is now never going to work. Nor is the mantra ‘accept people for who they say they are’.

They have nothing but emotional manipulation.

EdithStourton · 04/02/2023 09:24

All the tone policing on the threads in this board has, over the years, really woken me up to the depth and breadth of female socialisation.

I've got a lot arsier as a direct result. Poor old DH...

Hoppinggreen · 04/02/2023 09:24

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 06:04

I am still finding my way on the gender debate. I am certainly troubled by a lot of the things happening in the name of trans rights, particularly the erasure of women’s rights and safe spaces. I will of course be informed by the facts not people’s behavior. But the knee-jerk vitriol on BOTH sides drowns out the merits of the argument. Can you really say with a straight face that ALL of the negativity and offensive behavior comes from trans rights supporters? Reading this board for 5 minutes completely disproves that. I know it’s an emotive issue but I think a lot of people are put off by how nasty both sides have gotten. If either side could manage to take the high road —honestly— they would probably get a lot more buy-in from the general public who don’t think too hard about this stuff.

so let me get this right, you are comparing women speaking up about our rights with rape threats, death threats, actual assaults, intimidation, signs saying ‘decapitate terfs’ where a TERF is a woman saying no to violent male rapists being locked up with violent women? You think both sides are equally negative?

so, you’ll have proof that gender critical women are doing the things outlined above won’t you?

have you told the TRA to #bekind yet? How did that go for you? Or is just women you want to pipe down?

Nasty on both sides?
I think I must have missed the part where we wanted to decapitate Transwomen

Mallairígh · 04/02/2023 09:18

MargaritaPie · 04/02/2023 02:54

Might be something to do with the fact KJK's stickers are being primarily used to deface public property and to harass and spread fear against transpeople which leads to violence?

gaycitynews.com/anti-trans-stickers-surface-in-hamilton-heights/

There's plenty of stickers with many different messages defacing property. Will they refuse to print stickers in future to prevent this risk?

The rest of your post is bollocks.

twitterexile · 04/02/2023 09:17

Also agree with everyone pointing out that men and TRAs are stunned when women dare to say no to them and then rain down violent threats (and violent actions) upon us. Both sides as bad as each other? Utter nonsense.