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Helloprint has suddenly refused to supply stickers to Kellie-Jay Keen

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IwantToRetire · 04/02/2023 01:07

The main source to this story is the Daily Mail:

The firm also made a T-shirt designed by Ms Keen and worn by JK Rowling which described First Minister Nicola Sturgeon as a 'Destroyer of women's rights' over the controversial Gender Recognition Act.

But now the company - who has accepted £75,000 of orders from the cause - now says they are 'offensive material'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11709415/Anger-woke-firm-refuses-print-stickers-defining-women-adult-human-females-trans-row.html

Although there is a twitter thread about this mobile.twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1620102242396409857

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BlackForestCake · 04/02/2023 12:57

Might be something to do with the fact KJK's stickers are being primarily used to deface public property?

Well, no, it can't be that because when we book billboards perfectly legally you try to get those taken down too.

Florissant · 04/02/2023 12:52

turbonerd · 04/02/2023 11:23

Those stickers simply have a factual sentence on them:
in order to be a trans woman you have to, by definition, be a biological male.
Biological males all have a penis each, and most of those who decide they want to «transition» retain their penis.

If you are a woman, you are just that: a woman. Women do not have a penis and have been female from conception.

I am not sure how this can be said differently to be honest. I can try it in French, if you like?

Given who the post is addressed to words of one syllable would be more useful than a foreign language.

Florissant · 04/02/2023 12:42

Mallairígh · 04/02/2023 09:18

There's plenty of stickers with many different messages defacing property. Will they refuse to print stickers in future to prevent this risk?

The rest of your post is bollocks.

To be precise, all of MargaritaPie's posts are bollocks. Seems a shame to single out just the one.

TheABC · 04/02/2023 12:27

When people say "it's both sides," either they are not paying attention to the debate or they are uncomfortable with women saying "no."

A lot of posters on this thread have been wading through this shit for years. Asking politely doesn't work. We've already tried it.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 12:18

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 12:15

I'm being nice and assuming they made a spelling mistake there. It's bloody autofuckwit, mine has a mind of its own!

I have a suspicion that TRA's have decided that Mosley kind of rhymes with Posie and are making a rather tragic pun to call Posie a fascist.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 12:15

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 12:02

Oh mate. I'm embarrassed for you.

I'm being nice and assuming they made a spelling mistake there. It's bloody autofuckwit, mine has a mind of its own!

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 12:02

landOFconfusion · 04/02/2023 11:54

Good to see the Daily Mail are doing their best to promote Mosley Parker.

Oh mate. I'm embarrassed for you.

picklemewalnuts · 04/02/2023 11:55

Thanks for the chocolate @Boiledbeetle ! It goes down very nicely.

Sweetens the taste of some of the mealy mouthed 'if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all' stuff!

I'm really happy for hellopriint to nail their colours to the mast. It brings the debate to the front, just as the gay cake issue did. I'm happy to live in a country where people can tell me they don't approve of gay marriage. I'd rather know.

Free speech is great. It's just a shame that there are people who simply can't hear and process unexpected information- like 'No'.

I taught a little boy, many years ago, who was always shocked to be told off. His very loving parents had distilled in him the belief that he was a 'very good boy'. When he did something he'd been told he shouldn't, he simply couldn't grasp that he'd therefore done something wrong.

To be fair he was just 4. These clowns should have grown up, by now.

'You aren't a woman, you're a very naughty boy!' Sorry, Monty Python.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:54

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 11:27

I missed that. Sorry to hear someone abused you boiled. Flowers

Oh you know me water off a ducks back. But it was one of the rare occasions i pressed report. A couple of minutes later there was an e-mail from mumsnet apologising that they are doing a to all email as they'd had mass reporting.

It's nice too know we have each others back!

But it's just another type of flounce

Some run out of coherent arguments and do a disparaging post and flounce.

Some run out the door insulting as many as possible on their way and he went for quite a few posters in a flurry of posts.

landOFconfusion · 04/02/2023 11:54

Good to see the Daily Mail are doing their best to promote Mosley Parker.

xeraco · 04/02/2023 11:46

I must say it's good to see so many posters coming over here from AIBU and slowly getting it.

Baldieheid · 04/02/2023 11:38

I think it's got the potential to be a poor decision commercially, but its their business and their choice.

I don't want a world where a firm is forced to do business, against their will. I run my own business. I want the right to turn away projects I don't want to do and people I don't want to work with.

Otherwise, 20 or so years ago, I'd have had to work with a sexual fetishist on his range of adult sex nappies and harnesses, despite my revulsion.

Cherry60 · 04/02/2023 11:32

Seems like a really stupid gesture that costs them and in no way will stop KJK. Stickers and t-shirts aren't that difficult to make, she could probably set up a business herself.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 11:29

Naunet · 04/02/2023 11:03

😂 maybe it’s time you put on your big by pants buttercup. Women are not responsible for male violence, and neither are fucking stickers!!

I do have to laugh at the false outrage at property being defaced. In the Meadows in Edinburgh, there are pro trans (anti women) stickers everywhere. I don't think Margey's berating the people who put up those stickers for the crime of defacing property.

And as for 'fear against transpeople', women have been arrested for putting up stickers stating domestic abuse statistics, but a 'decapitate TERFS' sign is apparently A-OK.

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 11:27

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:24

Well, I got my first C you next Tuesday in the aibu thread the other day. When things weren't going well for one poster arguing with us.

I'm sure that was to the aibu readers who haven't made it as far as the fwr board a quick show of who is on the right side of history! Then in quick succession he insulted all the other posters who disagreed with him. Hence the sea of deletions the other afternoon!

I missed that. Sorry to hear someone abused you boiled. Flowers

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 11:26

”Could not make this shit up. Stickers are a worse harassment than shouting at people.”

Remember when a poster on this thread told us on the WiSpa thread that it was more egregious that the woman complaining was in her robe and naked underneath in the public lobby than a sex offender with a semi aroused cock entered a spa bath directly in front of a nine year old girl?

I remember that clearly. There are unfortunately some posters who will make those comparisons. And Marg is not alone.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:24

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 10:09

I also have found this week that there are posters on AIBU who think simply writing condescending posts about how ignorant people are (often using those same negative words of dogwhistle, anti trans etc) and then indicate that they ‘know’ things should not be challenged.

It is hilarious really. The word ignorant being thrown around, often with derisory comments about the Daily Mail. And then when information is posted and dissection of what has been posted as so called evidence by those calling others ignorant happens, the poster flounces or claims some strange victory while writing barely have posted more than a few sentences at a time usually with absolutely no credible substance.

And this is on AIBU threads. There is a complete disconnect.

I can’t understand why people complain about the FWR board being especially combative. After the threads in AiBU this week, I find the FWR board to generally have honest posts from regulars. They might be as blunt as fuck but they are honest and based on fact not supposition and emotional manipulation.

So my thank you to the FWR regulars for the sanity, the persistence and the honesty. I would rather be told blunt honest facts than deal with these gaslighting tactics that seem more prevalent this week.

Well, I got my first C you next Tuesday in the aibu thread the other day. When things weren't going well for one poster arguing with us.

I'm sure that was to the aibu readers who haven't made it as far as the fwr board a quick show of who is on the right side of history! Then in quick succession he insulted all the other posters who disagreed with him. Hence the sea of deletions the other afternoon!

turbonerd · 04/02/2023 11:23

MargaritaPie · 04/02/2023 02:54

Might be something to do with the fact KJK's stickers are being primarily used to deface public property and to harass and spread fear against transpeople which leads to violence?

gaycitynews.com/anti-trans-stickers-surface-in-hamilton-heights/

Those stickers simply have a factual sentence on them:
in order to be a trans woman you have to, by definition, be a biological male.
Biological males all have a penis each, and most of those who decide they want to «transition» retain their penis.

If you are a woman, you are just that: a woman. Women do not have a penis and have been female from conception.

I am not sure how this can be said differently to be honest. I can try it in French, if you like?

Johnnysgirl · 04/02/2023 11:22

LemonSwan · 04/02/2023 01:09

More like goodbyeprint

Couldnt help myself sorry 🤣

I hope so. Dozy fuckers.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 04/02/2023 11:20

MargaritaPie · 04/02/2023 02:54

Might be something to do with the fact KJK's stickers are being primarily used to deface public property and to harass and spread fear against transpeople which leads to violence?

gaycitynews.com/anti-trans-stickers-surface-in-hamilton-heights/

That is a truly hilarious article.

A gay couple, consisting of a male person and a transgender female person, see two women putting stickers up and then record themselves shouting at the two women who call them misogynistic.

And then it ends with a quote from the transman "“It was traumatizing,” he said. “No one should walk and see hatred toward their own community.”"

Could not make this shit up. Stickers are a worse harassment than shouting at people.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:16

picklemewalnuts · 04/02/2023 08:17

Hello, BleepBlipBop. I too once popped in and suggested the women round here be kinder, soften their words to make them easier to read.

I was taught (rather sharply) about female socialisation, that on this board I could express myself however I wanted, and to expect others too as well. My arse was handed to me, without even a gift bow on top.

As I've read on, and seen what women are dealing with, the sheer bloody ignorance of people who simply can't seem to listen when women speak, I've come to understand it better.

No amount of 'be kind' is going to smooth this shit show into reasonableness. When people will create a third category- men, women and rapists- in order to deny reality, then there's no point in wearing gloves. This is a bare knuckle situation.

My arse was handed to me, without even a gift bow on top.

And these days we just feed you chocolate x

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Anactor · 04/02/2023 11:15

Reading between the lines it sounds like ‘some of our staff are complaining and we thought it was easier to let this go to another print firm. It’s only one job out of tens of thousands.’

Followed by ‘Uh, why am I now talking to a British reporter from one of their papers?’

Possibly followed by ‘Oh, FCUK!’

Most print firms follow an ‘if it’s legal, we print’ rule. You can lose a lot of election printing jobs if you get a reputation as a firm that refuses jobs based on their employees’ politics.

Wouldn’t surprise me if UK election agents are already making notes to pick another firm. If this spreads back to the Netherlands, they might lose the political printing there, as well.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:12

Both sides are as bad as each other?

exhibit A: 'TRA' holding sign

exhibit B: 'GC' sticker

Reader, you decide

Helloprint has suddenly refused to supply stickers to Kellie-Jay Keen
Helloprint has suddenly refused to supply stickers to Kellie-Jay Keen
Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 11:05

Helleofabore · 04/02/2023 09:13

I got told this week that I was aggressive and angry and he wasn’t going to engage with me because I told a man that it should not be his choice whether women accepted a male person in their prison, even with that male’s cock chopped off.

I think he took exception to the blunt ‘cock chopped off’ language and being told no at the same time.

It never once occurred to him that telling women what they should accept and what they should be comfortable, and then censoring my language was a sure sign of a misogynist….. he flounced in outrage.

They always flounce when they have no coherent come back.

It's always very telling in itself!

twitterexile · 04/02/2023 11:04

lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 10:58

What worries me about the event tomorrow is that these men are enraged by what has happened in the last week in Scotland.

I hope that they don't escalate.

As for the stickering company, well as a business it is really up to them, but I would imagine they have been put under pressure to decline to provide from people who really don't like women speaking.

I am very worried about this too. They are a mob.