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Helloprint has suddenly refused to supply stickers to Kellie-Jay Keen

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IwantToRetire · 04/02/2023 01:07

The main source to this story is the Daily Mail:

The firm also made a T-shirt designed by Ms Keen and worn by JK Rowling which described First Minister Nicola Sturgeon as a 'Destroyer of women's rights' over the controversial Gender Recognition Act.

But now the company - who has accepted £75,000 of orders from the cause - now says they are 'offensive material'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11709415/Anger-woke-firm-refuses-print-stickers-defining-women-adult-human-females-trans-row.html

Although there is a twitter thread about this mobile.twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1620102242396409857

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Florissant · 04/02/2023 22:38

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 22:36

I give up. I simply can't spell it out any clearer. I tried but it just isn't possible.

You can teach someone but you can't learn for them.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 22:36

I give up. I simply can't spell it out any clearer. I tried but it just isn't possible.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 22:30

People say that about trans women, though and have seen it on here.. So where exactly does it refer to "being obviously about AGP?"
It doesn't.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 22:25

You’re men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women.

'Autogynephilia is defined as a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female.'(National Library of Medicine)

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RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 22:21

Quite obviously she is referring to AGP there
It's made obvious where exactly in that you've just quoted?

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 22:16

Here's the full quote I assume you are referring to -

“You are fucking blackface actors. You aren’t women. You’re men who get sexual kicks from being treated like women. fuck you and your dirty fucking perversions. our oppression isn’t a fetish you pathetic, sick, fuck.”

Quite obviously she is referring to AGP there. Which is a paraphillia. And women don't particularly like their oppression used as a sexual fetish. Some examples of how those who have AGP view women - “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes” (Andrea Long Chu) or “sometimes I wonder if dressing up like this is the equivalent of having sex with myself' (Caitlyn Jenner).

(As that term used to be banned here, I have to see how long this stays up). TRA's don't like it when it is pointed out that for at least some (certainly not all) it is a sexual fetish.

I addressed the black face issue in my previous post. Perhaps you missed it?

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 21:57

People who openly celebrate the death of a young woman are sick fucks so I can't say I disagree with her there
People who do that are sick fucks, I completely agree
That's not what she said were sick fucks though - not sure if you're aware, or if you're twisting?
She said people who are trans are sick fucks and black face actors
Do you agree there with her?

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 21:54

For any lurkers, here's Magdalen's YouTube channel - https://youtube.com/@MagdalenBerns

Florissant · 04/02/2023 21:46

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 21:43

People who openly celebrate the death of a young woman are sick fucks so I can't say I disagree with her there.

I'm not a fan of the whole blackface/womanface equivalency but I can certainly understand the objections behind the concept of using the concept of women as a costume (I.e. nothing more than stereotypes of appearance and behaviours). Dylan 'I've been a girl for 100 days!!' Mulvaney being a perfect example of what women are objecting to.

Yes. That was the cyclepath.

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 21:43

People who openly celebrate the death of a young woman are sick fucks so I can't say I disagree with her there.

I'm not a fan of the whole blackface/womanface equivalency but I can certainly understand the objections behind the concept of using the concept of women as a costume (I.e. nothing more than stereotypes of appearance and behaviours). Dylan 'I've been a girl for 100 days!!' Mulvaney being a perfect example of what women are objecting to.

MargaritaPie · 04/02/2023 21:35

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 20:14

Wasn’t it lesbians who got thrown out of Pride marches for refusing to accept that males can be lesbians? So males with a trans identity were not content with co opting the word woman, but demanded to be recognised as female homosexuals. I’d like all these gender ideologists to explainhow it is that insisting female homosexuals should be fine with dating males is not conversion therapy and deeply homophobic. What is the difference between a male with a trans identity claiming he is a lesbian, and the blokes down the pub stating they are ‘lesbians in a man’s body’?

Not sure what specific incident you're referring to, is it the one where some gender criticals tried to hijack a pride march and march at the front (they hadn't registered, which was required) but weren't permitted to do so by other marchers and (after causing an obstruction and disturbance) were asked by police to leave?

That's nothing at all to do with their beliefs, that's because they didn't follow the rules (which everyone else had to follow) and were causing trouble.

It's happened a few times, gender criticals trying to make out they were victimised "because of their beliefs" then it turns out there's a valid explanation.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 21:30

Are they great people in your eyes?
No, people saying or doing that aren't great people in my eyes.
Where do you get from my post that I thought they would be?
I think that's a disgusting thing to do.
Why the whataboutery, anyway?
Do you think calling people who are trans black face actors and sick fucks are great people?
Seeing as you're asking me if I think dancing on people's graves is a nice thing to do or saying that you quoted (no, I don't, as I said and have never implied otherwise)

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 21:28

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 21:08

The one who called people who are trans blackface actors and sick fucks?
Late great obviously a matter of opinion as doesn't sound great to me.

Out of curiosity is there anyone who passes your purity test?

Waitwhat23 · 04/02/2023 21:25

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 21:08

The one who called people who are trans blackface actors and sick fucks?
Late great obviously a matter of opinion as doesn't sound great to me.

When Magdalen died tragically early from a brain tumour, TRA's made horrific posts about dancing on her grave. 'Veronica Ivy' (formerly Rachel McKinnon, formally a man's name) said, of those people who were celebrating Magdalen's impending death, such celebrations are "ethically justified when the person dying has engaged in extreme harassment of a marginalised group'.

Are they great people in your eyes?

Magdalen fought against many things well before others were aware of them - she criticised the hideous concept of the cotton ceiling, she spoke against deplatforming and for single sex spaces for girls in Schools, among many other things. If any lurkers haven't heard or her, look her up. She's great.

As she said herself - 'I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar'.

MargaritaPie · 04/02/2023 21:22

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WhiteFire · 04/02/2023 21:13

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/02/2023 18:09

I'm glad you posted this. It is important to remember that there are people who are genuinely anti trans, and that the reason so many trans people and TRAs take such an absolutist view about not engaging with GC views in good faith is because they see stuff like this online.

Without minimising the reality that these voices do exist, they are not gender critical feminist voices. They are not speaking for me. I utterly reject them, as I would hope, and very much wish to see, trans and TRA voices rejecting the violence and threats made to GC women.

Genuine question: have any trans people or TRAs said anything about the "decapitate TERFs" sign?

I utterly reject them too.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 21:08

The one who called people who are trans blackface actors and sick fucks?
Late great obviously a matter of opinion as doesn't sound great to me.

WhiteFire · 04/02/2023 21:07

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 19:28

As you can see from the posts here: 'LGBT event' now means nothing more than 'people compliant to the T ideology'
That's not what I meant or said at all though - just that it's a no brainer someone wasn't welcome there when they wear attire excluding some the event is for.
You're entitled to want to exclude the L, G, the B or the T but it's a bit daft to think that at an inclusive event for all of those everyone would be accepting of you blatantly pushing one out, seems a bit doing it to try and be antogonising.
Wear it at LGB events, not LGBT ones - unless you're deliberately seeking drama/publicity

So Mermaids can be excluded then according to your logic?

Florissant · 04/02/2023 21:05

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 20:14

Wasn’t it lesbians who got thrown out of Pride marches for refusing to accept that males can be lesbians? So males with a trans identity were not content with co opting the word woman, but demanded to be recognised as female homosexuals. I’d like all these gender ideologists to explainhow it is that insisting female homosexuals should be fine with dating males is not conversion therapy and deeply homophobic. What is the difference between a male with a trans identity claiming he is a lesbian, and the blokes down the pub stating they are ‘lesbians in a man’s body’?

Let's not forget that the late, great Magdalen Berns was thrown out of the Lesbian Society at Edinburgh University for stating that men cannot be lesbians.

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 20:14

Wasn’t it lesbians who got thrown out of Pride marches for refusing to accept that males can be lesbians? So males with a trans identity were not content with co opting the word woman, but demanded to be recognised as female homosexuals. I’d like all these gender ideologists to explainhow it is that insisting female homosexuals should be fine with dating males is not conversion therapy and deeply homophobic. What is the difference between a male with a trans identity claiming he is a lesbian, and the blokes down the pub stating they are ‘lesbians in a man’s body’?

IwantToRetire · 04/02/2023 20:12

However, I think Iwanf has confused two lemons.
Swan posts here often. I think OP may have the wrong lemon in mind.

Sorry if I confused lemons, but having seen the thread about Sunnak being derailed by whataboutery, and it was a bit late and I was more than tired, to have what seemed like the same whatabouteries appear made me a bit sharp.

But delighted that someone must have recognised themselves and got my post deleted, when I gave a reference and so easily could have contradicted. ie mixing up my lemons.

And will now go and check the index of new posts on FWR and discover all the thrilling new topics we were being told off for not talking about.

Seriously if you think a thread is pointless just dont post on it. The more you continue to post whatabouteries the more live it keeps the thread.

Anyhow this is a derail.

But on topic, the more people who take the time to list KJK crimes and so on, the more important you make her.

Quite honestly I suspect 90% of FWR posters would never have heard about her, if so many others hadn't spent to much time telling us we shouldn't take any notice of her.

As has the print company who were happy to take her money for however many years it was, and now have decided it isn't acceptable. Wonder if they will give back the money they took of her, because if they dont they will be guilty of profiting by wrong think.

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nilsmousehammer · 04/02/2023 19:58

It's hardly an 'inclusive' event for LGBT people, where LGB people are only welcome if fully compliant to straight sex with a TQ+ person.

They can I suppose be homosexual but only if they never talk about it and act TQ+ compliant in public. Effectively back in the closet. Because their homosexuality is a threat to people who do not wish others to perceive the reality of their sex, or be allowed to date exclusively on a sex based orientation. In peace.

Let it all sink in. You can have any kink at all, even MAPS now welcome, but homosexuality?

How does it go in the interviews and articles, let's see if I remember...'Learn to cope' with straight sex. Don't selfishly prioritise your own orgasms when there are TQ+ people who urgently need your service provision. Break the cotton ceiling. Down with conversion therapy (except for homosexuals.) Inclusive events! (But not for them.) Be kind! (But not to them.) And the homosexuals better not resist any of this or the TQ+ lobby will throw them out of gay Pride.

Happylittlechicken · 04/02/2023 19:45

So @RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella should all the people carrying trans tights now been ejected also? They were excluding LGB people weren’t they? Are you saying no one can be at a pride unless they tow the party line? Why?

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 04/02/2023 19:28

As you can see from the posts here: 'LGBT event' now means nothing more than 'people compliant to the T ideology'
That's not what I meant or said at all though - just that it's a no brainer someone wasn't welcome there when they wear attire excluding some the event is for.
You're entitled to want to exclude the L, G, the B or the T but it's a bit daft to think that at an inclusive event for all of those everyone would be accepting of you blatantly pushing one out, seems a bit doing it to try and be antogonising.
Wear it at LGB events, not LGBT ones - unless you're deliberately seeking drama/publicity

EpicChaos · 04/02/2023 19:20

@Rendell " or TRAs want to 'decapitate TERFs' now. "

I wish i had your confidence in that because tbqh, they seem to be a very unhinged/dangerous group, that i wouldn't trust as far as i could throw them!
Death threats, rape threats, actual assaults don't come from sane, rational people!

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