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Has anyone tried identifying as another thing?

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namechange1487 · 03/02/2023 16:25

Bear with my thinking here.

If current thinking is that a birth certificate can be altered to change sex, then has any other challenges been considered?

I've genuinely had a hard but reasonably successful life. Been a bloody slog though. I genuinely feel older than my 50 odd years. I really really do feel and believe that.

So could I ask to be considered to be 67 and get my pension and retire?

I'm knackered.

I'm being absolutely genuine here. If there is a precedent to change 'facts' due to feelings then I want this.

Has this ever been approached? Or looked at?

If ever women need a campaign I think this could be one.

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mummabubs · 04/02/2023 17:46

whistleblown · 03/02/2023 23:49

I often wonder this. What if I (as
a white person) suddenly decided I wanted to identity as black? I could paint my face black and everything. Tell people to call me Beyoncé. Would anyone do it? Would I do it? Like fuck we would. Because it's deeply bloody offensive. How's that any different?

@whistleblown This is where I've always said I struggle with the whole trans debate. For arguments sake I could say that since I was a child I've always identified more with black culture and known deep down I should have been born black. Yet if I were to paint myself darker, or have cosmetic treatments to darken my skin, botox to get fuller lips, surgery to get a 'Beyoncé booty' and changed my name to (insert stereotypical 'black lady name' here) then it would be wholly unacceptable and deemed utterly offensive. Which I agree it would be. So I genuinely can't understand how doing this with someone's sex or gender is any different.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2023 13:13

dragonbreaths · 04/02/2023 13:00

I identify as a cat. At least that's what I put on last job application. Miaou/ Miaow pronouns. They did give me the job too 🤣

Hows the food testing at Felix working out for you?

😺

dragonbreaths · 04/02/2023 13:00

I identify as a cat. At least that's what I put on last job application. Miaou/ Miaow pronouns. They did give me the job too 🤣

SomeCommonThing · 04/02/2023 12:09

Had this been a thing when I was 23, and the Dr told me I couldn't have a hysterectomy or tubes tied because my "future husband may want children", I'd have identified as a bloke right up until that anaesthesia wore off!

somanybooks · 04/02/2023 12:03

I identify as non-numerary, so don't try to assign an age to me. However, as I'd also like to access my pension now and my knees sometimes hurt a bit, I'm a 'non-numerary pensioner', and you'd better hope any tick boxes that need my age or year of birth have this as an option.

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 04/02/2023 11:30

I have been saying since Brexit that, as I identify as European, I should be allowed to have my European passport back.

NitroNine · 04/02/2023 11:20

@EpicChaos
There are various other sources confirming it wasn’t true, but the article I linked is probably the most thorough look at what happened.

TRAs utterly delighted by Republican politicians having talked it up though as they think it makes the GOP look stupid & that it reinforces the TRA line that any objection to their behaviour or demands is bigotry & part of a Trans Panic that threatens their very lives. Utter refusal to accept the story was in any way even slightly credible, plus insistence that Republicans [bigots/Christofascists/Nazis/transphobes] will say anything about poor innocent trans people who just want to…

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 04/02/2023 11:06

Not me, but my child. He identifies as a pirate. His pronouns are Arrr/MeHearties, and we have surgery lined up to remove an eye and a leg in order for him to live as his true self and affirm his pirate identity.

Grin Grin

On another note, I'm very sorry to hear about the recent death of his parrot, but at least it must feel like a weight off his shoulders.

I wonder if some of the celebs who've been having these extreme bum implants and injections are part of the transpirate scene as well; either that or they've completely misunderstood the meaning of "Avast behind!"

ItsCurtainstothat · 04/02/2023 10:11

YouJustDoYou · 04/02/2023 09:28

Not me, but my child. He identifies as a pirate. His pronouns are Arrr/MeHearties, and we have surgery lined up to remove an eye and a leg in order for him to live as his true self and affirm his pirate identity.

Love this!!

DevilinaCardigan · 04/02/2023 10:04

I would love to change my place of birth on my birth certificate. I was born somewhere else but have lived in the UK for 20 years. I have a visa but it would make my life easier to not have to deal with visas/passports. And a Citizen Recognition Card would be so much cheaper than applying for citizenship.
i identify as British. I drink a lot of tea and don’t talk to people on public transport (I don’t identify as northern). Other than my accent, I pass very well day to day.

YouJustDoYou · 04/02/2023 09:28

Not me, but my child. He identifies as a pirate. His pronouns are Arrr/MeHearties, and we have surgery lined up to remove an eye and a leg in order for him to live as his true self and affirm his pirate identity.

hryllilegur · 04/02/2023 07:29

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 22:56

I'm guessing despite the "inherent" nature of trans age that it conveniently doesn't work like that.

The one in the graphic posted upthread seems to enjoy all the advantages of supposedly being a child, but also conveniently without losing the ability to drive or to earn money by doing a job.

i thought that but was very convenient. oh but she’s ok with the parts of adult life that suit her.

That example seemed to be applying the having cake and eating it too model of trans. You’d think that trans people would be really pissed off with the people who take that attitude. But seemingly it’s all equally valid. 🙄

I don’t see how you can accept the claims of the biology denying gendered soul group and dismiss the passage of time denying aged soul group. Once you start with the choose your own reality (and then call anyone who doesn’t play along to the - changeable - rules you set) route, I don’t see how you can start throwing stones at people who claim their innate being is at odds with a different aspect of the material world.

whistleblown · 03/02/2023 23:49

I often wonder this. What if I (as
a white person) suddenly decided I wanted to identity as black? I could paint my face black and everything. Tell people to call me Beyoncé. Would anyone do it? Would I do it? Like fuck we would. Because it's deeply bloody offensive. How's that any different?

ItsCurtainstothat · 03/02/2023 23:27

I’d like to identify as a child. I don’t need to deal with adult worries and can rely on others to provide for me. I can also zone out at school because I know most of it already.

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 03/02/2023 23:22

I used to self id as Brazilian. Blush

Sazzasez · 03/02/2023 23:13

I identified as a pony for some years in childhood. I could make my Startrites go clip-clop.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 23:01

Agreed. Jane Fae tried to refute the comparison but they are the same!

Somebody in the YouTube comments put it very succinctly: basically saying that one [differently-minded] person is telling another person that they aren't allowed to be [differently-minded]!

The commenter used a different word, but that might be verboten on here.

walkinthewoodstoday · 03/02/2023 23:01

PopGoesTheProsecco · 03/02/2023 19:15

Just to clarify I think doing ‘black face’ is equally as wrong as drag (just can’t understand why one is unacceptable ant the other is considered ‘brave’.

Makes me think of Michael Jackson and the hate he got for surgery to appear more white. Perhaps that's how he identified. I won't go into the other stuff

walkinthewoodstoday · 03/02/2023 22:58

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 18:29

They're all nothing but different rungs on the same ladder. If you accept the validity of the ladder in the first place, it makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever - and actually just exposes you as a complete hypocrite, bigot and whateverphobe - to deny the validity of any of the other rungs.

Agreed. Jane Fae tried to refute the comparison but they are the same!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 22:56

I'm guessing despite the "inherent" nature of trans age that it conveniently doesn't work like that.

The one in the graphic posted upthread seems to enjoy all the advantages of supposedly being a child, but also conveniently without losing the ability to drive or to earn money by doing a job.

FOJN · 03/02/2023 22:53

mummabubs · 03/02/2023 22:35

I told my DH the other day I wish to identify and as a table. I was only half joking.

Did he take the hint?

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 03/02/2023 22:51

I know a three year old who identifies as a T-Rex. Except on the days he identifies as some other type of dinosaur. Why is he being forced to live in a house? Why is someone not providing him with a primeval forest? A total violation of his rights.

Cherryana · 03/02/2023 22:49

I would like to identify as French.
But also keep my British passport.
British woman are french women if they say so - n’est pas?

ferretface · 03/02/2023 22:45

I identify as younger than I am, tbh. I'm 37 but physically I don't really feel older than 30 or so. Unfortunately my birth certificate and a new proliferation of grey hairs disagree 🤷🏼‍♀️

FOJN · 03/02/2023 22:40

Tabitha1960 · 03/02/2023 20:44

The politician would simply reply that trans-gender is a thing, but trans-age isn't.

Then what?

Then you ask them to explain why? I'm not suggesting asking in order to get a coherent answer, that would be impossible.