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India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240

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Consufed · 02/02/2023 08:39

India Willoughby is going to be on Question Time tonight. BBC1 10.40pm.

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Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 15:09

HelenHywater · 03/02/2023 14:31

I just watched QT. I've also been on my work twitter account this morning. I must say that the account of QT on this thread and what I have seen myself differ. IW in fact had a lot of sympathy from the QT audience, much more than Ella did. Ella didn't make her point clearly - that it isn't possible to change sex. She got a lot of boos - IW didn't. And the Yellow Blouse woman (although I 100% agree with her) only has a smattering of clapping. The later commentators (cord blazer man and the young woman in the grey jumper etc ) who are all commenting about the poor trans people being persecuted, get far more applause

My non GC twitter account is not mocking IW at all - there is lots of sympathy for her.

For me, it beggars belief that it's even a question whether men can change sex, that men can be in women's spaces and that IW is taken seriously at all. But it remains that although this Board (and me) has its view, the world still has another one. (and why I still have to maintain 2 twitter accounts)

Challenge her to have a discussion with sir Robert Winston .

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 15:07

Bollindger · 03/02/2023 14:23

We need to focus on the trans part.
IW says they are a Trans person.
Transitioning meaning going from one to the other.
Therefore that person is actually acknowledging that they know the truth.
They are the original sex. In this case male trying to become a female.
So no matter how much surgery they have, clothing they wear, they know the truth.

so why did she state clearly “ I am a biological woman” and when she was in big brother did she literally shout at people “ I am a woman”

she also said the surgery she had was not any worse than going to a dentist . What sort of message does that give to young people .

the weird thing is “ she “ hates the group of people that allegedly she is part of .

sorry fear still makes me use “ she”

Cherry60 · 03/02/2023 14:43

🤦‍♀️

Reclaimtheoutdoors · 03/02/2023 14:43

IW is a racist. I’m surprised at question time.

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 14:41

We wernt the only ones watching last night.

India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240
WarriorN · 03/02/2023 14:41

Does make me wonder if the police will change tact after the latest debarcle when policing Posies events.

Also if there will be as many protesters.

turbonerd · 03/02/2023 14:40

LaughingPriest · 03/02/2023 12:13

I still think the term 'TERF' doesn't reflect what most of us believe. It is not excluding anyone from feminism because they are 'trans' - which has become meaningless anyway. It is because they are male. MERF is far more apt.

Hence I don't identify as a terf. How gendery someone feels has nothing to do with their sex.

I’d love to be a MERFmaid

🧜🏽‍♀️🧜🏼 I currently have shortish hair.
Am I a MERF-nonbinary then?

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 03/02/2023 14:39

Mxflamingnoravera · 02/02/2023 23:07

If I was raped which prison would I go to?

Iw is not very bright

heathspeedwell · 03/02/2023 14:33

The fact that Willoughby was asking which prison Willoughby should be placed in suggests to me that subconsciously Willoughby relates far more to the male rapist than to the women who were raped. Everything about Willoughby's behaviour slaps of male entitlement.

HelenHywater · 03/02/2023 14:31

I just watched QT. I've also been on my work twitter account this morning. I must say that the account of QT on this thread and what I have seen myself differ. IW in fact had a lot of sympathy from the QT audience, much more than Ella did. Ella didn't make her point clearly - that it isn't possible to change sex. She got a lot of boos - IW didn't. And the Yellow Blouse woman (although I 100% agree with her) only has a smattering of clapping. The later commentators (cord blazer man and the young woman in the grey jumper etc ) who are all commenting about the poor trans people being persecuted, get far more applause

My non GC twitter account is not mocking IW at all - there is lots of sympathy for her.

For me, it beggars belief that it's even a question whether men can change sex, that men can be in women's spaces and that IW is taken seriously at all. But it remains that although this Board (and me) has its view, the world still has another one. (and why I still have to maintain 2 twitter accounts)

WickedSerious · 03/02/2023 14:31

zen1 · 03/02/2023 14:17

Willoughby really is poisonous - tweeting Glasgow police about Posie’s forthcoming event.
twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1621435923132043271?cxt=HHwWjsC-hbTYv4AtAAAA

If it's women KJK is threatening to annihilate surely India's got nothing to worry about.

WinterTrees · 03/02/2023 14:29

I think Willoughby meant that women's prisons are not full of lovely ladies, rather they are full of rough types so a violent man would not be out of place.

Yes I think you're right, but why would Willoughby assume that people would think prisons were full of polite ladies, unless that was how they themselves picture the default woman? It's not a surprise to the rest of us that women also come in alternatives to the soft pink simpering variety that is Willoughby's standard, and are actual fully realised human beings, shaped by their own personalities, genes and experiences.

Rightsraptor · 03/02/2023 14:27

I've never heard IW challenge anyone who describes them as trans. Yet IW also says 'I am a biological woman/female' - I heard this when IW was out of shot last night. I know I really shouldn't be surprised at this stage by such a lack of logic but I still am.

IW is a walking example of giving an inch and taking a mile.

WickedSerious · 03/02/2023 14:26

Wee Josh might well know 'the smell of bigotry' but I can't help wondering how he fares when required to detect the aroma of bullshit.

Bollindger · 03/02/2023 14:23

We need to focus on the trans part.
IW says they are a Trans person.
Transitioning meaning going from one to the other.
Therefore that person is actually acknowledging that they know the truth.
They are the original sex. In this case male trying to become a female.
So no matter how much surgery they have, clothing they wear, they know the truth.

BlackForestCake · 03/02/2023 14:21

@zen1 they (TRAs in general) do this constantly. Women's events attract masked "observers" who sidle up to the police and start trying to persuade them to arrest the speakers.

ArabellaScott · 03/02/2023 14:20

“I know the smell of bigotry”

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SinnerBoy · 03/02/2023 14:18

Sugarfree23 · Today 10:46

I thought she sounded American and him English but I'm not always the best at guessing accents.

I'm 99% sure that Mxx. Wokerthan-Woke is Canadian.

zen1 · 03/02/2023 14:17

Willoughby really is poisonous - tweeting Glasgow police about Posie’s forthcoming event.
twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1621435923132043271?cxt=HHwWjsC-hbTYv4AtAAAA

India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240
wightwine · 03/02/2023 14:11

WinterTrees · 03/02/2023 13:18

Yes!
It's so interesting when India makes these sweeping generalisations that only serve to reveal India's own ignorance, prejudice and rank misogyny. Like when India said that everyone assumes that MN is for discussions about prams and nappies or something.

India has not the slightest inkling of what women's lives are.

I think Willoughby meant that women's prisons are not full of lovely ladies, rather they are full of rough types so a violent man would not be out of place.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/02/2023 13:59

Whatsnewpussyhat · 03/02/2023 13:07

No.
Neither female nor woman should be used to refer to a male human, and 'man' and 'woman' are not bloody genders.
They can call themselves transwomen all they want but they still belong to the male sex class.

Besides, TRA's are now using trans female and referring to themselves as female because they refuse to allow women to differentiate ourselves in any way or with any words.

It's like shifting sand . . .

Transvestite -> transwoman -> trans woman -> trans female.

Nope. Not having it!

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 13:58

Very funny though

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 13:58

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 13:41

😃

This reminds me of last Friday’s bizarre thread re: nattering (& knattering and gnattering).

My brain has now wandered off to a vaguely sci-fi looking future fantasy-land…

It’s now 2323 and a group of academics are puzzling over the possibility of a shared etymological origin for ‘‘terfyn’ (noun: boundary, limit end) and ‘terfing’ ‘terf’ ‘terfed’ (verb/noun: to define and uphold boundaries relating to the sex based rights of all humans, but especially those of women & girls).

(works like dancing/dance/danced)

eg ‘She terfed happily all around the town, accompanied by her new, extremely experienced terfing partners’

‘I’m perfoming a 5 minute terf on stage tonight, with live, musical accompaniment’

😃😃😃

Earth to Nicola come in Nicola

IcakethereforeIam · 03/02/2023 13:57

@NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom Grin that gnatter side quest was fascinating. If it wouldn't be a complete derail I'd be going on about 'scuttle' for days.

I do have some pity for IW and some other high profile tw. Not much, because I know little about them. My pity is also tempered because some stuff they've done has been pretty vile and they seem as self centred as gyroscopes.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 13:56

nilsmousehammer · 03/02/2023 13:47

200 years and in essence we still have idiot males debating whether women have souls.

And even if women do have souls they should keep them to themselves and not show them to anyone outside of the home, nor discuss them in the workplace or on the internet.

Women definitely aren’t allowed to talk about having soul-based rights (or any other Women’s Rights) in the public square because that would be Unworthy Of Respect In A Democratic Society (UORIADS).

Right, Josh?

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