India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240

That's what I was worried about.

The threat of The Cervix hangs over us all like theSword of Damocles. Held by a single pubic hair, no doubt.

I doubt the lies and misinformation will be challenged. They never are with Willoughby.

India even got away with an incorrect answer on Pointless. Nobody else ever has. I was so disappointed in Richard Osman.

And the way India behaved towards Amanda Barrie on Big Brother - shouting and bullying a small, 80 year old woman - of course, that's typical female behaviour, intimidating smaller, weaker people.

From small things to large, people to scared to challenge

And it would be an act of monumental
stupidity by the TRAs. The media’s focus is trained on this issue and most of the public would be appalled.

Yes. Not a noun.

Hence the tweet Willoughby posted to Esther that was mentioned. Where Willoughby used the comparator of blackwomen.

As an adjective it then puts ‘trans’ and ‘cis’ as the second priority in the hierarchy under women. Which is why space is sooo important!

It used to be called gender dysphoria and classed as a mental health issue - why has this suddenly changed?

You can't just claim that you are a woman because you feel as though you are. Women have naturally occurring female organs, body parts and have an XX chromosome - and this should not be deviated from. No matter what surgery you have or how you dress, this won't change

Can you remember the guy in America who believed he was a tiger - and had loads of surgical procedures to make him look more like a cat. He will always remain a human being and could not change his species. The same thing applies with sex

Sorry to come across as an old fart but I really don’t understand the terms TERF (I assume it’s an acronym), cis (another acronym?) and What the eff is hormone washing in the womb?

They are misrepresenting this (surprise). He wasn’t in ‘solitary’, he was in a segregation unit. This is a small unit where they put particularly vulnerable women with serious mental health problems, high risk of self harm or (I think) pregnant.

Having a violent rapist in close proximity will do nothing for the state of those women’s minds. If the reported experience of other women in prison with violent males, he will ensure his presence is felt by shouting abuse at the women and otherwise attempting to cause distress.

Being a women’s prison, there should be predominantly female staff (Elizabeth Fry demanded no male staff in her 1823 bill) but the presence of this man means that for safety reasons the prison needs more male staff to restrain him.

This means a greater risk to the female prisoners from male staff as we know that, while it seems to be rare, male prison staff do rape and sexually harass women. (We often get berated for ‘not caring’ about that by the tras defending men in women’s prisons.🙄)

Anyone supporting this is inflicting such cruelty on these women.

Ah, I think I get it. Trans is an adjective in India's belief system?

My view is that mental health and maturity comes first from an acceptance of reality and limitation.

It is odd that this mass collective gaslighting and delusion is coming at the same time as ‘mental health’ has become a hashtag. It’s everywhere - “your mental health, my mental health, their mental health, blah blah blah” it is so over used it makes me eyeroll whenever I hear it now.

It’s impossible to tackle mental health without tackling acceptance, but we have these mixed messages of ‘be whatever you want to be’ with ‘take care of your mental health’.

I agree sallywalrus

However, I believe the Willoughby would hand wave it away as being a subset of woman. Remember it is all
about
the
space!

That space puts Willoughby under the umbrella of women - trans or not!

Yep.

Solitary/segregation unit is a punishment ( losing the right to association with others) within a punishment (losing your right to liberty) you can’t just be incarcerated and automatically spend your whole sentence locked in on your tod.

That would be considered torture and is rightly against a person’s (actual) basic human rights.

The handful of UK prisoners who are kept completely alone are ones like that dude who has been inside since the 1970s and has murdered three fellow prisoners in that time (all sex offenders, iirc).

I was trying to find out if a female prisoner has ever killed her fellow inmate in the history of the UK. Haven’t found any evidence yet.
It doesn’t seem like it happens elsewhere in the world either.

Found a news article about 6 female gang members being killed inside a prison in Honduras but it turns out their killers were men who had broken into to the prison in order to kill them!

DISSONANCE ALERT!

I have found it very destabilising- its like a sudden realisation (or slow dawning) as an adolescent- or younger- that the adults around you are deeply flawed and can't be relied on. I feel like I'm having to grow up all over again!

So true!

But if India actually believed India is a woman then what was her role on QT?

She didn't answer the question.
I think politicians need one of these online polls when asked these questions. Is the rapist a Man or Woman, choose one only. No text box!

and the woman who asked the original question

Yes, absolutely. She definitely had to muster up courage to ask it. Her eyes spoke volumes about all the things she could say right now.

Hats off to her.

Time to free up that self-perception and ego from reliance on what others think.

Spot on Endless!

It’s my personal belief that happiness can only be found by accepting ourselves (and others) as we are, but still recognising the limitless potential in that. Human beings are amazing (actually not just human beings- just about everything is marvellous when you think about it).

Yes. Yes . Yes. My view is that mental health and maturity comes first from an acceptance of reality and limitation.
My biggest shock and concern in all of this, is just how unhealthy and unwise the culture at large, and the institutions that maintain it have shown themselves to be. (I know other issue have shown thi- but this seems to be at another level!)

I have found it very destabilising- its like a sudden realisation (or slow dawning) as an adolescent- or younger- that the adults around you are deeply flawed and can't be relied on. I feel like I'm having to grow up all over again!

Yes exactly that. IW and followers saying how biased the studio audience was. NO, India, the audience was a cross representation of the population. Living your life on twitter is not the real world.

I hope the politicians on the panel, watching from home and being updated by colleagues realise the mood of the public here. The women raising the issue were being supported by the majority of the audience. This wasn’t happening a year ago when the audience were applauding ‘be kind’ - it’s a complete change now the reality is showing.

I was cheering Ella, the women in yellow and the woman who asked the original question (great question widening it out to all single sex spaces) on.

@EndlessTea Your comments are spot on.

Fiona Bruce with her "more important things to talk about " stuff is pathetic

I don’t like her anyway

family member was on QT and made a comment and she said they were wrong and that it was happening and it didnt happen and she was wrong 😠

i bear grudges….

but yes i thought lady in yellow was very brave and ella was very good,

Didn't Rhona Hotchkiss say that he wouldn't have been in solitary? That you can only segregate a prisoner if they have violated the rules, which means waiting until a woman has actually been harmed?

Funny definition of "robbed". Thanks to the jolly old Barnett formula, Scotland has had higher per capita public spending than England for decades, now. Currently it's 17% higher than the UK average, with England 3% below.

Good that they've got such outstanding public infrastructure and education services to show for all that extra spending... 🙄

Sorry, it was all children (as it should be).

Yes, I have great admiration for her. She picked up on a trend to refer to black women by a certain panel member, too. She brought all the fantastical codswallop back to women and girls having to be safe.

Dodging the question is page 1 in the SNP training.