"That poor transwoman..."

There's a real trend in progressive circles now to see all crime through a lens of the criminal as a victim. Of society, circumstance, the system, systemic sexism, systemic racism, etc. And to say that no one should be in prison, the real answer is to dismantle the systems that lead to crime, including defund the police.

It's not just about rapists, people who do drive by shootings, muggers, thefts, etc are all seen from the same perspective. There is no responsibility on them as individuals.

It seems crazy when it's written out in full, but if you watch carefully you can see it everywhere in discussions of the justice system on the left.

It’s a combination of a lot of things.

Again - name just one. One of the 'lots of things'.
Give one example of something that means a person is a woman.

She needs to see a photo of the rapist standing in his pink leggings with his bollocks visible and then ask her if she still thinks he's a woman.

Or get her a handmaidens outfit.

@FellOnMyArseToDay in the mysterious world where sex is 'more complicated than biology' how do we work out who needs a smear test and who needs a prostate exam?

"You know being a woman is more complicated than biology"

It really isn't.
It's the ONLY requirement, it is the ONLY way you can be a woman.

ONLY men can commit rape under the law.
This male is a rapist.

There is no female in this scenario apart from the victims.

And I'm damn glad to say my children don't need to be pitied, they know what a woman is, unlike you who is presumably a grown adult and is having trouble with the concept.

Ahhh how very be kind of you. Don't pity my children they are fine thanks.

Come on then how do you need to see the world to be a woman? Give me one single example of how experiences can make a man a woman.

You know being a woman is more complicated than biology.

No, it’s not. Nothing more than adult human female biology is needed to be a woman.

But however I put it you won’t try I pity your children

What a nasty, absolutely uncalled for thing to say to someone. I bet you self-identify as kind.

So go on @FellOnMyArseToDay break it down for me. What exactly is a woman? You’ve stated it’s not biology, so what exactly is a woman? Been waiting for an answer for many years now, maybe you are the golden one who can answer. Remember your answer must include all women and transwomen but exclude all men and transmen. And not include the word woman. Go on, you can do it! I believe in you.

Trans women have been in prisons for years even before all this blew up . So how were they managed in the system years ago ?

you know that’s not true. I never said that and you’re writing that down to make me look stupid. I don’t think having a vulva makes you a woman It’s a combination of a lot of things. Having a child doesn’t make you a mother not having a penis makes you a man. You know being a woman is more complicated than biology. But however I put it you won’t try I pity your children

Most of the problem here is that for some reason, you think that pretending that a rapist can be "she" or pandering to the delusions of a rapist is a good idea. Why?

I think because it exposes the lie of the whole thing. If other males can decide their gender identity is "woman", why can't this one?

Same here. I don't think I could speak to such a fuckwit. Except very briefly, about what she and other rape-supporters could do with themselves.

Genuinely can't tell if you're joking but taking it at face value - specifically which ways of seeing things makes someone a woman? Can you give one example?

(If you can't answer, then think about why not. It's probably because you're being sexist, or don't understand the words you are using.)

After posting that I urealised that was a too hasty and rather stupid thing of me to say. My apologies OP.

Have people here seem this Parliamentary petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that sex is biological sex?

If you would like to sign,
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I simply couldn’t stay in that group I don’t think.

it’s experience, how you go through the world and see things

Right and this person’s experience up until being charged with rape was of being a man and a male rapist, something no woman has ever known. How could anything he has experienced give him the experience of being a woman? On the contrary, to be a trans woman (or a trans man) is to arrogantly appropriate someone else’s lived, real, bodily experience that you can never understand.

How the fuck can you know that how you see things is how the other sex sees things, when you’re not that sex? You can’t. It’s just a (usually) shallow, sexist, stereotyped idea of what you think it’s like to be that sex.

i don’t share a sex with this person and sure as hell don’t share their apparent idea of what being a woman means, so how are we both women? We’re not. I am.

@FellOnMyArseToDay so how many transwomen did this violent male rapist that you want to be put in prison with vulnerable women rape?

No he is a rapist and I am a woman

Feels like I need a easy to read Topsy and Tim type book to explain

There are still many women (and probably men, too) who have a preconception about a trans woman as someone who transitioned from being an effeminate gay man facing a lot of violence and harassment, and who has had genital reassignment surgery.

A few days ago I came across a young woman on Twitter who was seriously arguing that trans women are not a sexual threat to women in prisons as they were all gay men before transitioning, so there are younger people, too, who have little idea of what the statistical evidence actually demonstrates.

The person saying these things may not have been aware of how recent and possibly manipulative Bryson's transition is, and almost certainly is unaware that the vast, vast majority of trans women retain their original genitalia.

But she might also be the kind of woman who has always inadvertently sided with patriarchal norms by willingly handing over rights to groups which the society deems more deserving of them. I think some of this was always behind the success of the subjugation of the female sex, though it wasn't the main driver.

I think if you had said "you feel sorry for a RAPIST...what ?...why?" (then it takes gender out of it)

Followed by "But a RAPIST, seriously????" What about the poor women who was raped?"

But it's easy to be wise after the event!

Nowhere to go? He can live with her instead of going to a prison then (albeit not allowed out of course) easy peasy

Are you 100% sure this woman wasn't being sarcastic ?

@FellOnMyArseToDay Are you sure? I think it may have been your head?

I truly think this is a small minority view. I haven’t come across anyone who feels remotely sorry for him. Is she very young?