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"That poor transwoman..."

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IstayedForTheFeminism · 01/02/2023 18:49

"That raped a woman and now isn't allowed in a women's prison so has no where to go"

What the actual fuck. This was a sentence said to me today at a discussion group I go to. No worry for the poor woman (women?) That was/ were raped. No. Just the rapist who raped.

I pointed out that said transwoman is a man and should therefore be in a men's prison, and was told "no she's not, she's a woman now" at which point I decided to change the topic for this week because it's not the sort of group where we want to have heated discussions.

I'm just shocked and saddened that a woman I like and admire is so happy to throw other women under the bus Sad

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2023newyearnewname · 03/02/2023 17:54

This in reply to the person who thinks that being a woman is a choice. Sex cannot change at all ever. Put on a frock, lippy and a wig, maybe some surgery or not, still not a woman.

As another poster said what makes a person a woman "Being a woman it's not something you choose. It's something you are.
And A man can never become a woman, no matter how they feel it, or how much they want it. That doesn't mean they can't do everything else they think they need to do to be a woman whilst being a man. All power to them, live your best life.. But biologically, they can never be. So they shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces"

Spot on. A man can NEVER be a woman, her will never know what being a real woman is, a biological woman. He can try, he can change his gender and we all can but he cannot change his biological sex. It is in the cells of his body and he cannot change every cell. He might feel wrong in his body but that doesn't make him a her.

2023newyearnewname · 03/02/2023 17:42

Nothing at all to admire about that women. She feels sorry for a trans woman (biological man) who raped 2 women rather than feeling sorry for the women! He raped with a penis, he is a man, he and his meat and 2 veg should go to a prison with other men. No pity at all for him. Stop enabling rapists. With a friend like that.....

SockGoddess · 03/02/2023 11:20

"and umbrella term for identities that cannot be fully described through their relation to concepts typically used to describe gender"

Yes you can see exactly how many of these concepts arose through people trying to come up with yet more special categories that make them more special than everyone else...

Another thing about all these neogenders is how we are meant to take them seriously one one level, and it would be transphobic to say "I'm not calling you ze/zir, what a load of nonsense" - and yet when it comes to prisons, toilets etc it's apparently essential to have just men's and women's and not other spaces for all these people who consider themselves to have special genders. Why is that then? A male who calls himself a woman must have a right to go in the woman's toilet and can't go in the men's - that means logically there is no toilet for NB people or ze/zirs etc.

And it's so obvious that if you have dozens of neogenders and people keep inventing new ones, they are made up and simply attempts to make you "queer" on the basis of personality.

oldwhyno · 03/02/2023 10:21

HootyMcboob76 · 02/02/2023 11:50

Gender may be complicated (if you believe in it).

Sex however, is not.

Sex segregation is very simple.

And for those looking for clarity from the poster arguing that being a woman is more complicated than sex, you won't get one.
There never IS an answer from them, because they know themselves that the only answer is biological and real.

Adding gender glitter and fairydust does not change that.

Gender may be complicated (if you believe in it).

I think any right minded individual has only got to spend about 30 seconds looking at that website to realise that gender is utter fiction.

My favourite so far (I've only actually read about 3 of them) might be:

www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Xenogender

"and umbrella term for identities that cannot be fully described through their relation to concepts typically used to describe gender"

Boiledbeetle · 02/02/2023 17:30

JanesLittleGirl · 02/02/2023 17:30

Does he know that a snail has crawled into his crotch?

😂

JanesLittleGirl · 02/02/2023 17:30

Boiledbeetle · 02/02/2023 12:00

You rang m'lady

Does he know that a snail has crawled into his crotch?

LaughingPriest · 02/02/2023 14:24

Yes - but it is hard because you just believe what you were told to instead of thinking it through to interrogate whether it made any sense.

I genuinely don't believe that someone with a functioning brain can get to the end of the sentence "there are lots of things that make you a woman" without thinking "I wonder what literally any of them are?". You would have to be the most intellectually incurious, dull-minded drone.

SockGoddess · 02/02/2023 14:09

if it’s that taxing on you, it’s because it’s bollocks, love. Shouldn’t be that hard to define what a woman is, if you’re so confident in your claims.

Yes - but it is hard because you just believe what you were told to instead of thinking it through to interrogate whether it made any sense.

Feminists and GC people who oppose this harmful bollocks do so because they thought it through and saw that it is nonsense. Not because they're mean, hateful or transphobic. But because they used critical thinking to dismantle a nonsense and they know it will come crashing down, because nonsense has a way of crumbling in the face of reality.

But you can let go of the nonsense and come over to the side of reality and defending protections for actual women. Join us! Lots of others are...

HootyMcboob76 · 02/02/2023 14:03

Naunet · 02/02/2023 13:58

😂😂😂 if it’s that taxing on you, it’s because it’s bollocks, love. Shouldn’t be that hard to define what a woman is, if you’re so confident in your claims.

Indeed.
There are really no need for the mental gymnastics that these people go through.
It IS one of the simplest things on the planet in fact.
Humans have been reproducing for hundreds of thousands of years, even in places where they know nothing about biology, chromosomes, anatomy and physiology, DNA, or even that elusive "inner feeling" of "gender".

ONLY biology makes men and women.
It is the basis of life on this planet.
It will still be that way long after words have been redefined to mean absolute nonsense.
It will still be that way when all of us are long gone.

It is a constant.

Naunet · 02/02/2023 13:58

FellOnMyArseToDay · 02/02/2023 11:10

Part of it is biology. I won’t argue with you. I just can’t today. Been a shit few weeks. Sit in your self congratulation. You have a vicious tongue. Really no need for it. Must be a miserable life you have I’ll stop baiting when you do

😂😂😂 if it’s that taxing on you, it’s because it’s bollocks, love. Shouldn’t be that hard to define what a woman is, if you’re so confident in your claims.

Naunet · 02/02/2023 13:52

FellOnMyArseToDay · 01/02/2023 19:25

She is a rapist. She is a threat to natal and trans women alike. She needs to be on a different cell block Being a female and a woman is more than biology, it’s experience, how you go through the world and see things. Ffs those poor women who have been raped both by her and the other women in prison. Jesus.

No, being a woman is biological, nothing else and it’s certainly not up for redefinition by deluded males that want to include themselves.

Please do explain how seeing things as a woman is defined in your sexist head and how does this align with being a rapist (which is a male pastime)? Can you give examples of how women see things compared to how men see things, compared to how NB people see things? Do you have any scientific evidence that supports your claim?

HE IS A RAPIST, by the way, HE.

GrumpyPanda · 02/02/2023 13:43

@SockGoddess
"If you think "woman" means anyone who says they are one or who "sees things" a particular way, then that biological category is still going to exist, and needs a name and an identity.

Just like if you said dogs can be cats if you say they are. Bollocks. You can say it all you like, you can take the name "cat" away from the biological category, but they will still exist as a biological group and they will still have different needs from dogs."

Not cats and dogs, but your post brought to mind this lovely little children's book by French author Gilles Bachelet, about an elephant who thinks he's a cat and behaves in every conceivable way like a cat (grooming, playing, using his - much too small - litter box, etc.) Wholeheartedly recommend. I've given it to several children in the family and they never tire of it ("but that's an elephant!!")

www.amazon.co.uk/My-Cat-Silliest-World/dp/081094913X/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?crid=1W2FF1TX4C1TQ

Signalbox · 02/02/2023 13:31

FetchezLaVache · 02/02/2023 12:54

I just fucking LOVE the way that article uses female pronouns but in quotation marks. You can just see the journalist making air quotes with her fingers.

Yes those scare quotes speak volumes don’t they?

ReunitedThorns · 02/02/2023 13:26

A lot of TRAs have sense to pretend that this scenario never even existed, because putting a rapist (who can only ever be a man) in a women's prison because they claim to be trans is an indefensible argument.

Then there are those who are stupid enough to defend the rapist, and argue against misgendering the rapist. At what point with trans rights did it become a requirement to defend rapists?

That Ricky Gervais standup has become reality.

FetchezLaVache · 02/02/2023 12:54

FOJN · 02/02/2023 12:38

Bryson failed safeguarding screening for a self defence class but the SPS thought it would be safe to put him in a women's prison.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10156773/trans-double-rape-fiend-isla-bryson-self-defence-blocked/

I just fucking LOVE the way that article uses female pronouns but in quotation marks. You can just see the journalist making air quotes with her fingers.

Peckhaminn · 02/02/2023 12:48

People who think that way should be put down. Plural.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/02/2023 12:45

I meant Alan Bell, founder of the Centre for Personal Safety who blocked Bryson from joining.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/02/2023 12:44

What an admirable man.

FOJN · 02/02/2023 12:38

Bryson failed safeguarding screening for a self defence class but the SPS thought it would be safe to put him in a women's prison.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10156773/trans-double-rape-fiend-isla-bryson-self-defence-blocked/

SockGoddess · 02/02/2023 12:37

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Circumferences · 02/02/2023 12:26

I'm laughing my head off that some people have claimed to think dear rapist Adam/Isla poses an equal sort of threat to transwomen and women.

This person attacks women. Abuses women. Rapes women. Their whole history points to abusing women. At no point have they shown interest in raping other blokes! That's just absurd!

He might well smack another bloke in the face for all I know, because blokes do that sometimes, but they don't specifically target and abuse other blokes in order to control and rape them.

Adam/Isla rapist is a threat to women. They need to be kept away from them.

Palmfrond · 02/02/2023 12:12

@FellOnMyArseToDay “Being a female and a woman is more than biology, it’s experience, how you go through the world and see things.”

It is categorically impossible for a man to experience things, go through the world or see things as a woman.

Boiledbeetle · 02/02/2023 12:09

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 02/02/2023 12:04

It really is a very particular personality trait to publicly draw attention to the weapon you used, after committing a horrific crime. I don't expect remorse from rapists but this is another level of chilling entitlement.

He's proud of little adam. God knows why.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/02/2023 12:05

FellOnMyArseToDay · 02/02/2023 11:10

Part of it is biology. I won’t argue with you. I just can’t today. Been a shit few weeks. Sit in your self congratulation. You have a vicious tongue. Really no need for it. Must be a miserable life you have I’ll stop baiting when you do

Jeez, absolutely no self awareness.

It is entirely biology but if you want I'll go along with you and say it's part, it's part biology and part misogyny.

Women must believe men can be women because men say so and men are always right and must always get what they want.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 02/02/2023 12:04

It really is a very particular personality trait to publicly draw attention to the weapon you used, after committing a horrific crime. I don't expect remorse from rapists but this is another level of chilling entitlement.