Theatres

Deleted earlier as didn't crop properly. This is not a toilet issue but so indicative of current thinking. We are now woman*

(*anyone)

The Grand Blackpool (saw La Boheme there last week) has ladies and gents for both the stalls and the upper circles. No gender neutral junk. My local athletics stadium (Leicester) has notices up saying no-one over the age of 8 may enter opposite sex changing rooms, which I applaud. Upstairs are male and female lavatories. No gender woo here (so far).

The proportions needed are probably roughly 2:1 female to male facilities, plus one extra enclosed 'gender neutral', plus the disabled loos. Wish they'd bog off with the idea of making women deal with male-pissy seats.

Eh? My local theatre has a gap top and bottom of the door, most entertainment venues I've been to have gaps top or bottom or both.

If someone is in the cubicle who will notice them bending down to take a picture or video?

This isnt about the quality of the footage or picture, they ain't gonna behave like the Kardashians with over 1000 selfies til they are happy with the result. They just want a video or picture they can wank over later. The aesthetic of the image isnt that important.

oh dear - just to correct grammar on last post - accepted not excepted!

I agree. They are needed for safety. So need to be single sex.

Oh the County Hall loos are really annoying.

When we went to the play in the summer, there was a huge queue for the ladies, no obvious queue for the gents and a fair-sized queue for the "mixed".

I just happened to mention that there wasn't a queue for the gents downstairs and the (middle-aged) blokes all looked a bit sheepish and went down to the gents.

Lots were late returning after the interval (presumably because the women still needed a wee when the bell sounded).

I prefer toilets that have gaps on the bottom of the doors. It’s for safety and hygiene. However, it seems universally excepted that you can’t have unisex toilets with them. Even mix sexed toilet enthusiasts realise males could abuse that.

Hope Mill in Manchester has gender neutral toilets but it was a pointless exercise because women and girls all went to one while men and boys went to the other - I find the two sexes tend to naturally segregate anyway, it wouldn't cross most men's minds to go into women's spaces. What was really problematic though was the presence of teenage schoolchildren attending the show because the venue was exposing them to known risk given the widely publicised massively increased risk of danger in mixed-sex spaces.

Oh and obviously the man taking pictures of my friend was in the other cubicle…so noone outside could see what he was doing

millicent

a friend had someone put their head and phone underneath the door at a changing village a few years ago, ive seen male teenagers looking over the tops of the cubicles as well

and the doors at the theatre in our local city don’t go all the way to the bottom either, or the local towns shopping area (shopping village has awesome toilets i gotta say)

Have you been to all the theatres in the world to know they have an option of v female only, and doors that go to the floor? My local theatre toilets, have gaps top and bottom.
And if they decide to make the toilets 'gender neutral' there won't be any female only ones.
You're Betty naive if you think things like that don't/ won't happen.

That's not going to happen is it? There are queues of people outside. I'm fairly sure someone would see someone bending down taking photos. ....
The doors are to the floor. Even if they could get a phone underneath. How would they take a photo. It's tricky enough doing a selfie pressing the button while aiming it right.

You are imagining a problem thats unlikely to exist.

You have the option of the female only one ...go to that if you are worried.

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It's not just about being 'acousted' though. When i was growing up the local swimming pool had a change village with cubicles. The boys used to climb on the seat and look over the top, or try and peer under the bottom to watch us get changed.
Imagine how much easier that would be now, just slide your mobile under a bit, et voila. A photo/ video.

This is a bonhers post. You are no more at risk of a being acousted by a man in a cubicle than anywhere else. The sinks are outside you have a private cubicle.

You also have femaje only ones to choose from you are just looking for things to be outraged at. Just use the toilet you feel most comfortable in.

@Whatislove82 It really depends - there are lots of younger staff who'd be very positive about developments like gender-netural toilets, and many more who, because we're working in an area that has always been very inclusive around gay people, don't look beyond that and just assume anything spun as "anti-trans" is also anti-gay and therefore a Bad Thing. I'm freelance now, so can't be too direct or I wouldn't get work.

What do you and your colleagues think about it?

Thank you, I am actually going to do this today.

I work in theatre, and would say to anyone who isn't happy - let theatres know! Tell them if it is deterring you from coming, or if you do go provide feedback afterwards, and tell them that your visit is spoiled and it will stop you coming again. In some theatres (and the Lyric Hammersmith is one) there are some single sex toilets, but they're not as easy to find and there aren't enough of them - so provide that feedback as well. Everyone is worrying about audiences at the moment, so its a really good time to make constructive comments about why some sectors of the audience aren't happy!

Yes but that’s suggesting there are many people out there who would burgle but the only thing that is stopping them is not having a key. And I don’t think that.

I think that the overwhelming and badly majority of burglars would burgle irrespective of weather given a key. And I suspect the same in this scenario. Any man wanting to rape or abuse a woman in theatre toilets is someone who was going to do that with or without a key

But the invites help. A burglar doesn’t need a key to do burglaries, but if you hand out copies of your front door key to everyone in town, you will get burgled a lot more.

Gender-neutral toilets facilitate sexual assault and rape. That is why women don’t like them. This isn’t complicated.

Look at what happened to Scott Smith’s daughter, and in particular, look at the way after the rape her school and the authorities ignored and abandoned the 15 yr old rape victim because of the influence of transactivism. Thank god that Judges are still aware of the law, shame that schools aren’t.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11208597/amp/Judge-removes-DA-case-dad-daughter-raped-trans-boy-school.html

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As above. Twice men have left the cubicle door open. Once when I was with my children. When I went to complain to staff they said it was always happening.

@Whatislove82

• A girl leaves the queue in a mixed sex toilet.
• A woman opens a mixed sex toilet's door, does not enter and closes the door again.

My teenage daughter went to a mixed sex toilet yesterday and a man left his cubicle door open while urinating. My daughter was scared and shocked. Both she and my husband were to embarrassed to confront that man and also prevented me from doing so. From that man's point of view nothing happened. Do you agree?

Around the corner from where I live, a hidden camera was found in a toilet cubicle. Hidden cameras are difficult to identify (have a look on Amazon). Mixed sex toilets mean that men so inclined can just go into a cubicle, install a camera, come back two hours later, pick up the camera and upload images to the internet - and nobody will ever know. But something happened.