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Trump has peaked

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oldwomanwhoruns · 01/02/2023 14:55

Trump has peaked

Surely the gender nutters have to reverse ferret now? Surely?
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Tabitha1960 · 01/02/2023 16:20

What strange bedfellows we feminists have found ourselves with!

Whitefly · 01/02/2023 16:18

Wow, that was incredibly clear wasn't it? And almost everything we've been wanting, especially the ban on 'heathcare' and the indoctrination in schools. I'm really gobsmacked to see any politician say it as it as, and especially Trump, he's never been so articulate!

the fallout from this is gonna be huge...

This

Datun · 01/02/2023 16:18

DarkDayforMN · 01/02/2023 15:25

Isn’t one of his main potential rivals for Republican nomination next time round making hay with this issue? DeSantis, or am I thinking of someone else? I haven’t been paying a huge amount of attention to US politics but it seems like he’s been a bit slow to read the room here. He’d be daft not to exploit this issue, it’s an open goal.

Yes it's DeSantis. And he has been making sounds about this.

Trump has spotted the zeitgeist. Maybe he was watching what happened to Nicola Sturgeon? Who knows.

He's decided to centre children and the irreversible surgery and raise the issue of pharmaceutical companies making money off them, which everyone knows.

And also aired the prospect of parents suing their arses off. In such a litigious country, that's dynamite.

it's a smart move.

The democrats will have trouble refuting any of it and while they try, the sunlight will be pouring in.

Trump just opened the can of worms that everyone has been trying to keep shut.

This will be interesting, but which ever way it goes, the one thing it will be is illuminating.

And that's all you need.

StressedToTheMaxxx · 01/02/2023 16:18

For those saying he is a transphobe, what exactly has he done/said that is transphobic? Genuine question.

JacquotteDelahaye · 01/02/2023 16:17

Fuck me I'm glad I'm not American I would have to entertain just for a tiny moment whether I could vote for that sadistic, dangerous,narcissistic, racist, wife abusing little cnut.
Stopped clock and all that I guess.

ResisterRex · 01/02/2023 16:16

It's either child sexual mutilation or child sexual abuse to purposely stunt penile growth, remove breasts, and set a child on a pathway to sterility and no capacity for orgasm as an adult.

It can't be defended.

AngryGoblin · 01/02/2023 16:14

I never thought I'd agree with Trump but blimey.

Cailleach1 · 01/02/2023 16:13

WarriorN · 01/02/2023 16:00

"Child sexual mutilation"

The phrases he uses need to be said more often in general media.

He's not the greatest spokesperson for feminists (at all) but the language needs to be used more frequently in these debates.

It's all so sanitised it's become celebrated.

Someone stated that Trump types may have been what Sturgeon was alluding to (we'll pretend it wasn't just throwing mud and hoping some would stick).

When I saw that Trump had referred to 'child sexual mutilation' I wondered if that was a reference to what Sturgeon types (in many places) appear supporting/promoting. I'm referring to medicalisation (this happens as early as puberty blockers) and surgical interventions on physically healthy youngsters.

DarkDayforMN · 01/02/2023 16:10

We are told endlessly that we're 'transphobes' for not following TRA bollocks. Trump actually is one.

I don’t know, I would guess that he doesn’t give a shit really. Many deeply misogynistic men don’t care, or see the trans movement as the men’s sexual rights movement it is and tacitly approve. Him only speaking out now suggests political opportunism, not any kind of deep convictions or strong feelings. But I guess it doesn’t matter much what motivates him; it’s clearly not concern for women or children.

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 01/02/2023 16:09

The stuff about encouraging people to seek legal redress and prosecuting big pharma might be enough to stop the gender cowboys.

Appalonia · 01/02/2023 16:03

Wow, that was incredibly clear wasn't it? And almost everything we've been wanting, especially the ban on 'heathcare' and the indoctrination in schools. I'm really gobsmacked to see any politician say it as it as, and especially Trump, he's never been so articulate!

the fallout from this is gonna be huge...

Backstreets · 01/02/2023 16:02

Can't believe the cowardly left has given this absolute christmas present to the right. Some of the worst people out there get to sound reasonable and sane compared to TWAW.

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 01/02/2023 16:01

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 01/02/2023 15:10

He's a hate-mongering transphobe. A real one, not a "believes sex is binary and immutable" one that we get accused of being. If supporting trans people would get him votes he'd probably lie about and pretend to support them because he's a shameless in pursuit of what he wants. But he hates them because they are of no use to him.

He hates women, he hates lesbians and gay men, he hates immigrants, he hates people with disabilities. He is racist.

The fact he has made this statement has nothing to do with the protection of women's rights, nor to protect vulnerable young people from irreversible damage.

I can agree with Hitler, Pol Pot and Trump that the earth is round. It doesn't mean I'm on their side.

This.

WarriorN · 01/02/2023 16:00

I'd like to see a democrat defend the mutilation of children.

WarriorN · 01/02/2023 16:00

"Child sexual mutilation"

The phrases he uses need to be said more often in general media.

He's not the greatest spokesperson for feminists (at all) but the language needs to be used more frequently in these debates.

It's all so sanitised it's become celebrated.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 01/02/2023 15:58

abcdeg · 01/02/2023 15:34

First line. Going against your gender ideology is not hateful. Way to make yourself look crazy.

What on earth are you on about? I'm a radical feminist.

We are told endlessly that we're 'transphobes' for not following TRA bollocks. Trump actually is one.

ResisterRex · 01/02/2023 15:50

I'm sorry but the mutilation of children is an open goal. The left have only themselves to blame and should wake up and start fixing their mess in the States. And that includes men in women's prisons and all the rest of this dangerous ideology.

Trump is a politician. He sees de Santis stealing a march on him and the fact this will resonate with parents - as de Santis proves himself. Trump sees this as an opportunity for himself. Biden threw women under the bus on day one. I'm only surprised it's taken until now for a major, well-known public figure to use their platform on this issue.

Wanderingowl · 01/02/2023 15:45

JoodyBlue · 01/02/2023 15:29

Pharmaceutical investigations and the right to sue doctors though. That will have an impact on the profiteering medics. It might mark the beginning of the end if insurance companies will no longer pay for procedures. The highlighting of it is good, as surely the conversation will start to happen now in the states.

This is the part that stood out to me. There will be some fucking terrified people out there right now and I couldn't be happier.

LeavesOnTrees · 01/02/2023 15:41

I can't stand Trump but he's right to be standing up against the mutilation of children.

He comes at this issue from the opposite end to GC feminists. He absolutely knows what a woman is and wouldn't accept TWAW, but from a male macho chauvinistic, women are there for my pleasure, perspective.

littleburn · 01/02/2023 15:38

It's a bit like I'm also in agreement with a lot of truly appalling people that the earth is round and water is wet. These are evidence-based facts, not value judgements.

Shelefttheweb · 01/02/2023 15:36

Trump still has a very loud voice and a lot of influence. But sadly it might further entrench the genderists because ‘if trumps says it it must be wrong’ even if he says the sky is blue.

abcdeg · 01/02/2023 15:34

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 01/02/2023 15:10

He's a hate-mongering transphobe. A real one, not a "believes sex is binary and immutable" one that we get accused of being. If supporting trans people would get him votes he'd probably lie about and pretend to support them because he's a shameless in pursuit of what he wants. But he hates them because they are of no use to him.

He hates women, he hates lesbians and gay men, he hates immigrants, he hates people with disabilities. He is racist.

The fact he has made this statement has nothing to do with the protection of women's rights, nor to protect vulnerable young people from irreversible damage.

I can agree with Hitler, Pol Pot and Trump that the earth is round. It doesn't mean I'm on their side.

First line. Going against your gender ideology is not hateful. Way to make yourself look crazy.

oldwomanwhoruns · 01/02/2023 15:31

Indeed it is an open goal for anyone, as @DarkDayforMN says.
Any politician, on either side of the pond, who has failed to take the side of reality in this 'debate' needs their head examined. I can't see why any politician would take any other stance.

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JoodyBlue · 01/02/2023 15:29

Pharmaceutical investigations and the right to sue doctors though. That will have an impact on the profiteering medics. It might mark the beginning of the end if insurance companies will no longer pay for procedures. The highlighting of it is good, as surely the conversation will start to happen now in the states.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/02/2023 15:28

With these reasonable ideas we're a side order to the banquest of racism.

That's a great analogy.

And yes, one of the issues is the increasing polarisation of American politics. There's no room in the middle for common sense, inclusive politics. There are boring reasons for this which I won't go into. But the left increasingly defines itself as NOT RIGHT rather than being innovative and progressive.

Someone described it to me as a mountain rage. We are all together in the foothills, most of us not Trump, child safety, being prosperous, being free, being able to keep your family housed, safe and well etc. The politics are the tops of the mountains. Where people pretend that the only way to do the foothills stuff is by doing what they believe. GCFs and TRAs are both shouting about child safety and disagree about how to achieve it. We all need to bring it back to the foothills. Trump however, doesn't even care about the same foothills as all the sane people. He's living in a different place.