Is any one just a little bit gleeful right now?

🔺🔺 ⬆️Agree with every single word of this ⬆️🔺🔺

Anyone care to speculate on what the next volte face will be?

We've already had "no we never meant people were born in the wrong body" and now were having "of course trans women who are rapists shouldn't be housed with women".

Could it be "of course no one under 18 should have puberty blockers" or will it be "no we never wanted trans women to play sports against women"? Or something else?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt

I remember my father who dabbled in politics raging about this group. I wonder if any of them have been involved in recent years?

Surprised your OH is so unconcerned with two daughters. Friends and family with daughters are very protective in my experience.

Im pleased about it but we still have a long way to go to return all single sex spaces to women. Maybe refuges will be next as the logical next step but we still need to get changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards and lots of health and care services back. And we will get NATALT - and be told not all trans are rapists.

Not gleeful, but I suppose some respite in a still slightly uphill Battle.

Pie is really outdoing Pieself today! I am awestruck at the TOTAL lack of (waves hands about) EVERYTHING 😂

Perhaps Pie is Emma Watson? Or Nic Sturgeon?
wouldn’t that make sense?

I hope the thread where people were still afraid to «out» themselves as GC will fill up with people deciding they will speak up in their workplaces from now on.

I kicked in an Open door in my workplace last year. It was very Nice to discuss it openly with people who care.
Have tried to talk to DH, but apparently it is not interesting 🤷🏽‍♀️ Despite the fact he has two daughters. His stance, in his defense, is that the trans lobby are so bonkers that he cannot take them seriously. But perhaps he will have to, soonish.

Not read the whole thread, so apologies. Not gleeful, we still have a lot of work to do …it’s so ingrained and people are still determined to ‘be kind’ even to the detriment of themselves. I’m so pleased it’s all over the media though.

I had a conversation today with some people who know my position and have agreed with it in the past…but today they spoke about maybe segregating prisons on the basis of the type of crime committed- so forgetting all about sex segregation. People are thinking about it more, but not thinking it all the way through, not considering the difference between the sexes and the threat that men pose to women. We still have work to do.

Women Puuuulllll!

I am feeling a little gleeful, but I also have very quickly reverted to sorrow for all the young trans people who have been hoodwinked into making permanent changes

Imagine seeing the shift in narrative so quickly and vocally...and I guess, seeing it for what it is and probably experiencing some WTF have I done. I feel really sad for these young people.

And of course what he put teenage girls through

Without the woman face

This is why it's became high profile

You'll get a reply but it'll ignore your question and will either be a debunked infographic, an unsubstantiated comment against a public figure (toss up between JRK, Marion Miller or Joanna Cherry) or possibly (as Scotland is currently in the news) a 'joke' about the Scots language/culture.

I think we were incredibly lucky that this was such a high-profile trial because we know that Adam Graham was not the first man in a woman's prison or in his case being kept in one awaiting sentencing and then he would have stayed in one because other men are already in women's prisons.

The gaslighting all along was that this couldn't happen when it already had and when we said it already had, it was a tiny amount, and when we said "dangerous men", it was TWAW and you're a bigot for trying to say that all transwomen are violent abusers and rapists - despite of course not saying that at all.

I'm not sure how this case came to be so high profile but I'm bloody glad that it did.

I very much doubt I'll get a reply to that simple yes or no question from @MargaritaPie or @NowDoYouBelieveMe.

Funnily enough I never ever a get a reply to my one sentence question of "how exactly does one live as a woman?"

Am really genuinely interested to hear those answers.

Same question for you. Yes or no question.

Do you genuinely believe Isla Bryson is a woman?

• @MargaritaPie yes or no question for you (which no doubt you won't answer).

Do you genuinely believe Isla Bryson is a woman? Yes or no*

Oh, the irony of Margarita posting outdated statistics, which are now completely the other way round and calling people liars. As well as pretending that nobody with a sex offence, or violence against women is in a womens' prison, despite me posting two examples.

TRA's often seem to delight in twisting language. So, for thsi post, lets assume:

Word 'man' = Biological male

Word 'woman' = Biological female.

Word 'transwoman'=Biological male who wants to pretend he the same as a biological female, for whatever reason. Often by performing offensive stereotypes or because of a magical 'innate essence', that alos seems to boil down to performing offensive gender sterotypes funnily enough.

So...

Transwomen are men. Because gender is not sex.

Men don't belong in women's single sex spaces. Not a one of them. Even if they are lovely.

This is not because ALL men/transwomen are rapists. It is because enough of them are that they pose a large risk to women/children as a group.

As soon as you make the wording clear, and waft away the gender woowoo fog, the logic is unescapable.

As some politicians are beginning to find out.

Let me explain Marge, it's one part 'we told you so', one part pure relief that we can finally speak freely after years of 'shut up bigot, no debate' and two parts renewed hope that women might one day be protected from predatory men. Our glee is tempered by the knowledge that we're still nowhere near where we need to be and still more women will be harmed before we're done but the recent breakthrough in public consciousness is a big step forward so I think we've earned a little glee. It speaks volumes about you that you don't understand that, what kind of person would not be pleased that vulnerable female prisoners will be spared having a rapist as a cell mate?

A timely reminder for some gardening. Link in tweet.

twitter.com/NoXYinXXprisons/status/1620207676356726785

It's crap to have to ask, but ask we must.
If we don't get a serious injection of cash, it is very likely that KPSS will have to cease operating this year.
No one else does what we do. The prison reform groups have abandoned women. What we do works.

@MargaritaPie you're missing the point in the same way that Nicola Sturgeon has so desperately tried to do...the new GRC law may not give additional rights but it makes it easier (in fact ludicrously easier) for a man to be considered a woman and therefore able to access rights that are were previously only available to the small number of people holding a GRC.

It's staggering how many men who say they are actually women only want women's rights if they are those that apply to them. They aren't interested in protecting the hard won rights of "cis" women whom they say they are indivisible from. It doesn't make sense.

Yeah we see a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot of misinformation on these boards. I think by now most posters, can work out which posters are responsible for it.

Don't you?

Because it's certainly not coming from me.

Also, what about that extremely dodgy “Afford trans people ECHR Article 8 privacy” that gets a green tick.

Suddenly no one is allowed to mention the rapists cock in the room because it ‘breeches his Article 8 rights”, so no one is allowed to warn the women who are in danger.

No one deserves that kind of privacy. It’s outrageous. I don’t care if they’ve had it inverted or stitched to their ear. No one should have this licence to lie and hide theIr past. It certainly should be extremely difficult to obtain at a minimum.

I second this post.

This was exactly what I said to DH yesterday.

The conspiracy theorist in me is very interested about the timing of this outrage.