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Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News

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dunBle · 30/01/2023 19:36

I should imagine the clip will be doing the rounds on twitter shortly if it's not already, but their Scotland correspondant Ciaran Jenkins did a really good job in a brief interview with her when she was on a tour of a TV studio today. Raised the issue of Katie Dolatowski, and got her quite rattled trying to get her to justify her comments about transphobia and racism. Should be on about 8:15/8:20ish if you want to watch it on C4+1

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 31/01/2023 22:32

StephanieSuperpowers · 31/01/2023 20:12

They keep bleating about risk assessments. But they risk assesessed this man and found him fit. So how can they hide behind this? It's clearly not fit for purpose.

It's a big red herring. People assume they are assessing the risk to the female prisoners. They're not. The only person they deem to be potentially at risk is the TW. The assessment is about their comfort and safety.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 22:21

Ryder68 · 31/01/2023 19:33

Why is Beetle bellowing "whores" all over the shop? 😆

My Alta ego is Nellie Boswell in bread screaming "that woman is a whore" about lilo lil

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 22:16

justasking111 · 31/01/2023 19:29

Bloody hell. Just answer the sodding question woman!

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 21:08

You are absolutely right RhannionKPSS. I hope it didn’t seem like I am making excuses for her. My rather more strongly worded post was taken down.

I suppose my feeling is that she is a career politician with no moral compass.

She wanted to know which way the wind was blowing so she could look progressive and with it, which left her wide open to dodgy activists, with nefarious motives, telling her that giving them whatever they want, would make her look really with it, and progressive.

She stupidly/greedily fell for it, trusted them. I think of it like the stupid Emperor getting taken in by the swindlers - telling him that ‘only clever people can see these fine threads’.

But, of course, they were telling her porkies all along. Dodgy activists with nefarious motives do not represent the Scottish public.

She now stands there in the buff, bewildered.

MidsomerMurmurs · 31/01/2023 21:08

StephanieSuperpowers · 31/01/2023 20:12

They keep bleating about risk assessments. But they risk assesessed this man and found him fit. So how can they hide behind this? It's clearly not fit for purpose.

Well they did a risk assessment and found there was no risk TO HIM from being sent to Cornton Vale. That’s a pretty important detail about the much-mentioned “risk assessments” that SPS have been carrying out.

The risk to women prisoners? Not really assessed was it?

FigRollsAlly · 31/01/2023 21:01

I totally agree that NS knew exactly what she was doing. She has cynically used this in her quest for independence and ruthlessly trashed the human rights of half the population. Her actions are indefensible.

RhannionKPSS · 31/01/2023 20:52

Please no one make excuses for Nicola Sturgeon. She bought into this because she needed the Greens. She went into this with her eyes open, she has called the concerns of women up here “ not valid” and just to add insult to injury called us “ homophobes, transphobic, bigots and racists “ because we don’t agree with her.

We had a wee demo yesterday regarding a parents meeting which was cancelled by a venue because they were not happy with the subject. The subject was what are children being taught in our schools with regards to sex & gender.

A Muslim woman there said she cannot understand why her voice, and those of other Muslim women, Jewish women, Christian women , and all parents have been ignored and told their views don’t matter when it comes to what their children are being taught.

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 20:21

StephanieSuperpowers · 31/01/2023 20:12

They keep bleating about risk assessments. But they risk assesessed this man and found him fit. So how can they hide behind this? It's clearly not fit for purpose.

It’s so stupid. How about having sex segregation as was intended 200 years ago?

Why waste time, effort and paperwork trying to make it true that people can change sex. They can’t. Job done. There’s no need to ‘assess risk’.

StephanieSuperpowers · 31/01/2023 20:12

They keep bleating about risk assessments. But they risk assesessed this man and found him fit. So how can they hide behind this? It's clearly not fit for purpose.

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 20:06

SinnerBoy · 31/01/2023 18:44

EndlessTea · Today 17:43

I was replying to this

Sorry, have I written a load of old crap again?

😁

No - of course not, it was that my reply got deleted so my explanation above didn’t make sense. Soz if it looked like that.

Ryder68 · 31/01/2023 19:33

Why is Beetle bellowing "whores" all over the shop? 😆

justasking111 · 31/01/2023 19:29
justasking111 · 31/01/2023 19:24

That Scottish lib dem defending the gov saying there needed to be a risk assessment on prisoners. The journalist replies "Just look down their pants"

I howled with laughter at that

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11696591/TalkTVs-Julia-Hartley-Brewer-furious-clash-Lib-Dems-Christine-Jardine-trans-prisoners.html

SinnerBoy · 31/01/2023 18:44

EndlessTea · Today 17:43

I was replying to this

Sorry, have I written a load of old crap again?

😁

beastlyslumber · 31/01/2023 18:33

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 17:11

Whores for fucks sake

Out of context LOL 😆

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 17:48

PriOn1 · 31/01/2023 17:19

I think Crusty was buddies with Rosa Freedman for a while. Might be wrong though.

Anyone who trusts Crusty must either be equally deviant or an absolute idiot, in my opinion.

Yes that’s what it was.

Emotionalsupportviper · 31/01/2023 17:46

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 17:10

Always been murderous shores

Damn you atuofuckwit

Never get into a duel with the autof*ckwit. It will always win.

(As I have learned to my cost . . . ) 😂

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 17:43

SinnerBoy · 31/01/2023 17:06

Goldpaw · Yesterday 21:16

I don't like Nicola Sturgeon but I do believe she was a soft believer.

I tend to agree, but I think she bought into the whole ideology, as a way of showing how progressive she is and how awful the English Parliament is. Coupled with her arrogance and refusal to countenance that she could be wrong and therefore, compromise, she's painted herself into a corner. Not to mention, the issues mentioned so frequently aren't likely to affect her, so why care?

There's no point, if she can browbeat and bully people into silence and pretend that they support her, as they're too frightened to criticise the madness.

I was replying to this

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 17:41

I see. humph.

That clip above, refers to my quickly deleted tweet, where I talk about how NS has been played, she has been orchestrated by activists into becoming out of touch without realising. In the linked clip https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4688027-thats-nicola-telt you can see that she is reading the room, and on seeing the filtered audience distancing themselves from the dissenting woman, she gets confidence. She doesn’t know they do not represent the public.

She has been ushered into a corner by trusting the wrong people.

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 17:30

This is the clip I mean https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4688027-thats-nicola-telt

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 17:29

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PriOn1 · 31/01/2023 17:19

MidsomerMurmurs · 31/01/2023 14:47

No?!?!?

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/cursed-e-the-misogynist-advising

(scroll down for a charming montage of tweets by that individual).

I think Crusty was buddies with Rosa Freedman for a while. Might be wrong though.

Anyone who trusts Crusty must either be equally deviant or an absolute idiot, in my opinion.

LexMitior · 31/01/2023 17:16

Sturgeon uses exactly the same tactics on gender critical women as she does on those with unionist beliefs. You couldn't put a fag paper between them.

What has she actually delivered? She seems good at commenting and rabble rousing. I don't see any more than that in her.

Also I find it all ridiculous given the endless rumours about her lavender marriage and her efforts against Salmond. I know he may well be a creep but she didn't hesitate to use all the power she had to crush him. She always strikes me as a highly illiberal person who gets emotions going in her favour. For once, that hasn't worked.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 17:11

Whores for fucks sake

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 17:10

Always been murderous shores

Damn you atuofuckwit

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