Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News

The one major positive is that other politicians will look at what's happened to sturgeon and wonder if that's the road they want to go down (Labour, I'm looking at you)

Hushing up and trying to use the dentons method just won't work anymore

It would be much much pleasanter to keep trying to believe that violent and abusive males are never truly TQ+ but it's frantic avoidance of the truth. Some of the male TQ+ population are predatory and violent males and there is no way to separate and gatekeep nice males from not nice males.

This! Too often we see ‘but we don’t mean proper trans people’ - ‘proper trans’ males (transwomen) are still men with at least the same level of predatory behaviours and the census suggests much more.

I'm sure the hush up will be tried. I'm sure there's a fantastic amount of sad facing and pressure and frantic attempts to control being poured on every political party in Scotland from the (government paid) pressure groups intent that females should be dust under the feet of important males and that safeguarding is old hat and reality is hate and we've always been at war with eastasia.

It isn't going to work though.

Doorstepping is going to be a bloody nightmare for these parties and they know it. And they've seen now: this does not wash with the general public .

I have mixed feelings about her standing down. I can't decide if:

• it will prove you can't do self-ID in a way that's non-Dentons compliant, and flush it all out, and be used as an example to all political and organisational leaders, that throwing us under the bus has real consequences

Or

• it will be used to hush it all up, kick the can down the road to the next GE, and move us to Labour's Shitty Sex Fudge

Reem Asalem, the UN’s special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, said she was “Remembering the many times we were told that the idea that predatory and violent males may want to take advantage of the presence of loopholes in system and weak safeguards to enter spaces reserved for females was ludicrous!”

And has now been made clear, predatory and violent males are part of the group this access was created for . There are no 'loopholes', this isnt a bug, it is a feature. Any male, with any agenda, can claim this right - but this trying to say there are two groups: males with TQ+ identities who are all perfectly safe and lovely, and violent monster males pretending - it's rubbish.

Scott is TQ+. Bryson is TQ+. Dolowolski is TQ+ And they all have the right to go into female spaces unchallenged under this awful ideology.

It would be much much pleasanter to keep trying to believe that violent and abusive males are never truly TQ+ but it's frantic avoidance of the truth. Some of the male TQ+ population are predatory and violent males and there is no way to separate and gatekeep nice males from not nice males.

This is why sex segregation happened in the first place.

They all end up hoisted on their own petard. Every single one of them!!

I saw the Twitter rumours about NS standing down before the next election, but at that stage they seemed to be quoting a 6 month old piece of news <crosses fingers>

Interesting rumours that Sturgeon is about to stand down:

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-said-on-verge-29099245

As Enoch Powell once said, All political careers end in failure.

@Cailleach1
Dr Alice Edwards the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture is who I was thinking about apparently raised concerns about Scott being sent to female jail - from the Daily Mail

Looking for that online instead of in the paper I also found this from the Guardian

Responding to the news, Reem Asalem, the UN’s special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, said she was “Remembering the many times we were told that the idea that predatory and violent males may want to take advantage of the presence of loopholes in system and weak safeguards to enter spaces reserved for females was ludicrous!”

Before the GRR bill was passed in December, Alsalem sent a highly critical letter to the UK government in which she raised concerns that the reforms would “open the door for violent males” to abuse the process.

And prior to all this stuff it was the UN's, everyone has right to private family life that put the nail in the coffin of Named Person.

Ita crazy that the UN are even finding a need to comment on the Government of Scotland. We are supposed to be a civilised democratic society.

This reply is both hilarious and heartbreaking.

Victor Madrigal sounds like the one, yes.

Is this the 'Independent' UN chappie to which you refer? Not at all questioning his/her/furry background or sincerity. There are those who might question them though as per what was unearthed here.

twitter.com/SusannaRustin/status/1620362175897554946?cxt=HHwWhMDS3Yu01_wsAAAA

NS has one eye on the Indy prize at all times. Everything is seen through the lens of gaining independence.

So any policy that makes scotland look different, more "progressive" than rUK is instantly appealing.

Combining that with them blocking anyone that raises any query, criticism or suggestion and they operate in a bubble where they only hear the opinions that agree with them.

The public have to take them to court to get ourselves heard normally like with named person.

Sugarfree23 · Yesterday 23:25

Twice she's been told No by the United Nations that polices are breaching their rules.

True, by the Special Rapporteur for Violence Against Women and Girls. Some UN man told her it was all great, however.

Honestly say I think it was the funniest thing I have seen in years. Whet a prize idiot she is

Because she's never fallen for a trick yet.

Twice she's been told No by the United Nations that polices are breaching their rules.

Seriously you'd never have thought that women, mothers and fathers in Scotland would need to rely on the UN to protect our rights.
Maybe the UN is where we need to fight for women's toilets, hospital wards, and changing rooms.
The prisons already seem to be protected.

I think it’s vanity. Like the Emperor.

Many years ago there was an Emperor so exceedingly fond of new clothes that he spent all his money on being well dressed. He cared nothing about reviewing his soldiers, going to the theatre, or going for a ride in his carriage, except to show off his new clothes. He had a coat for every hour of the day, and instead of saying, as one might, about any other ruler, "The King's in council," here they always said. "The Emperor's in his dressing room."

In the great city where he lived, life was always gay. Every day many strangers came to town, and among them one day came two swindlers. They let it be known they were weavers, and they said they could weave the most magnificent fabrics imaginable. Not only were their colors and patterns uncommonly fine, but clothes made of this cloth had a wonderful way of becoming invisible to anyone who was unfit for his office, or who was unusually stupid.

"Those would be just the clothes for me," thought the Emperor. "If I wore them I would be able to discover which men in my empire are unfit for their posts. And I could tell the wise men from the fools. Yes, I certainly must get some of the stuff woven for me right away." He paid the two swindlers a large sum of money to start work at once.

https://andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheEmperorsNewClothes_e.html

Since 2016 Stonewall and Denton's snake-oil sellers have played "be-kind-no-debate" and "this is the new Section 28" very beautifully on politicians ears.

Only now are they hearing how truly awful it actually sounded

As for Sturgeon being conned, falling for a trick etc, where's her much vaunted political nous? She sells herself as a practical, down to earth person, who won't take crap from Westminster.

So why did she not do what we did and use some common sense?

What risk could there possibly be to a man walking into a place where there are a load of incarcerated women?

In the case of a TW? "Hate speech" (i.e. incorrect pronoun use). Invalidation - failure to tell him how pretty he looks today or to plait his hair on request. Bullying/isolation, when women don't want to be his bestie and share their lippy with him (too terrified to give him any encouragement). Transphobia, when women complain about him ogling them in the communal shower while he fondles his hard on. They are very vulnerable 🙄

EndlessTea

No - of course not, it was that my reply got deleted so my explanation above didn’t make sense. Soz if it looked like that.

I didn't, I was just being a daftie, I thought mine had been deleted...

One woman in Cornton Vale got fitted with a coil as she was worried about rape and pregnancy.
That is just not right.

Their child maintenance payment bill might go up?

Chlamydia

What risk could there possibly be to a man walking into a place where there are a load of incarcerated women? 🤯