Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News

That Telegraph story has been updated with a new headline:

"Sturgeon’s political crisis deepens as she undermines her own gender laws
First Minister’s authority ebbs away as anger grows within her ranks after she refused three times to say trans rapist Isla Bryson is female"

Now, now, girls! You've got to be very careful not to give people the wrong idea about the trans community even if you are not taking about the trans community and are focusing on policies being open to abuse. Actually it'd be so much better if you didn't worry your pretty little heads about it, we've been taking care of you for ages now. So please don't make NS have to actually think and apply common sense simultaneously! Actually please just stop talking, you'll upset the most vulnerable.

Yes, it shouldn't be case by case. I think a firm application of single sex service exemption would be legitimate though.

The problem is that the judgement is subjective if it is on a case by case basis - who judges what is proportionate and legitimate, particularly when sex offenders have already been housed in the women’s estate? How do you deal with men who are on remand?

I'm not sure that Haldane applies to GRC holders for prisons - has there been any specific case law?

I think a provider of prisons could argue it falls under the single sex service exception.

Alex Massie

Sturgeon and the Mystery of the Woman who Wasn’t

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0a902790-a316-11ed-befb-a61c39e55892?shareToken=a1df895682b61fa6a2df16c7cffdfe4a

So NS has admitted a man has probably used self ID to get access to womens prisons. Therefore logically not all trans people do so for non-sinister reasons. Therefore if you allow unfettered self ID some men who access womens safe spaces may have done so, not because they have been born in the wrong body but purely to access women’s safe spaces. Self ID allows men to access women’s safe spaces. Self ID is inherently dangerous to women. NS is trying to enact legislation which facilitates the attack and rape of women. Who the hell is voting for Aunt Nicola?

Trans women are individuals, just like you and me, people who have their own views on everything and their own experiences - and many times who have experienced hurdles and discrimination as a result of their identity.

Which makes them just like any other man. Women do not want single sex spaces because they think all men are rapists. They want single sex spaces and services because a minority of men are rapists, but also because they want privacy and dignity.

Self ID laws and policies create an opening for men who get a thrill out of abusively crossing boundaries.

Adam Graham did this multiple times before being finally convicted of rape. Sturgeon’s government enabled that.

I am now madly fangirling over Douglas Ross. I'm not even in Scotland but I'm gonna email him. He might or might not be tiptoeing around the full issue, or possibly hes just upset at Isla whatsisface being in the female estate and has given no thought to any men being in there. I do believe wee Jimmy has shot herself in the foot in this. She said the prison service have been jailing tw in the female estate since 2014. I do not believe there have been no incidents in that time. I do believe Ross will be able to find any.

And I will try to make my email short but with some good points, I hope.

@FOJN the collective IQ of the SNP and Scottish greens is a genetic cul de sac

I think it’s worrying that so many claims made by people like Sturgeon are based on subjective individual risk assessments, although she must know that so many of the services that provide the risk assessments - social services, prisons, probation services - are struggling to function.

My understanding of all this is:

1. The definition of a trans woman is "any biological male that says they are"

1. TWAW

1. From 1. and 2. it follows that any biological male that wants one can have a GRC

1. Also from 1. and 2. it follows that all TWs that are incarcerated should be held in the Women's estate

1. But SG has stopped the incarceration of TWs in the women's estate because of one or two bad actors.

1. So we now have AATWAW (Almost All TWAW)

1. But if 3. had been enacted then 5. and 6. would be challenged and, given the Haldane ruling, be declared illegal.

How am I doing so far? More to the point, how is NS doing so far?

Absolutely this. Every last one of them is playing a part.

Surely everyone who claims to be other than what they are is masquerading as something else.

While The Times (at the top of the Scotland section) goes with:

Isla Bryson ‘almost certainly’ masquerading as trans, says Sturgeon

Hmm, so this is what she's using as her get out clause. Something that has been pointed out over and over again and which has been ridiculed by those making the policies about trans people.

But now it's miraculously a valid opinion!

Isla Bryson ‘almost certainly’ masquerading as trans, says Sturgeon

Oh, come on, Nicola!

We all know that men don't lie about these things . . .

It is quite sad, really. Sturgeon et al are still (even in this horrible situation) really ignoring women.

She talks about other jurisdictions being similar. Well, Ireland has self-ID and are locking up women with male sex offenders. Sex offenders! So, is Sturgeon's position that it is fine to lock the women up with the rapists like these other jurisdictions. Is she just being politic and waiting until all the silly fuss over women dies down again, and they can let the rapist (and other offenders) men (however they identify) have their bit of sport again?

I'm also amazed she is not exposed for deliberately not wishing the rapist being to be prevented from self id as a woman. The SNP deliberately voted against preventing a rapist from id as a woman; with all that means for prisons, changing rooms, refuges, etc. The very safety of women.

She also stated that men who id as women, my words, (and get recognition from the state as being that id) and go onto commit crimes is so very small. She did also say that those in the general population (and don't id as the other sex) is also very small. Why isn't there the same safeguarding wrt the cohort that id's as the other sex then? Shouldn't there be the exact same treatment as there is for a rapist who doesn't claim to be other than a male rapist. Then this double rapist wouldn't have been able to waltz along and transgressed the boundaries and comfort of those women on which he could view them in a state of undress. That was because the rapist claimed to be a woman, wasn't it?

Is Maggie still on strike? I can’t imagine she’s happy about Nicola not validating Isla’s identity.

It's the application of the law Nicola that you had drafted, supported and squashed any reasonable safeguards on.

She should be ashamed. How can people vote for her?

"my feeling is that is almost certainly the case"

but it's not your feeling that counts Nicola.

It is Isla's feelings that matter

They are maddening. Of course he's bloody trans, he said so. Do they even understand what the words self ID mean?

If they think they have the expertise to determine who is and isn't trans then why remove all safeguarding? It's as if they're saying, "yeah, we can tell who's trans but we've deliberately legislated to give sexually violent and predatory men access to women cos Maggie Chapman said it progressive".

I wonder what the collective IQ of the SNP and Scottish Greens is?

That is mad. She makes the bloody law. She can't just cop out.

Independent Scotland, I don't think so. You need someone who understands actually law making. She seems not to

Top story on the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/02/sturgeon-gender-policy-disarray-refuses-say-transgender-rapist/

Sturgeon gender policy in disarray after she refuses to say transgender rapist is female
The First Minister insists she ‘does not have enough information’ to make a decision on a major question thrown up in the Isla Bryson case

Guido also points out the lunacy of the situation:

twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/1621161684063723520?s=46&t=bMpgqt2HUQDJQAa_3M9Qpw

While The Times (at the top of the Scotland section) goes with:

Isla Bryson ‘almost certainly’ masquerading as trans, says Sturgeon

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3a52c1f8-a317-11ed-befb-a61c39e55892?shareToken=58f52ce49bc33aede7d38e5ab4c4f9d4

I should add I took that transcript off the Sun's youtube video. I tried to tidy it up and add punctuation, but there may be some small errors (see Douglas Ross/chocolate straws). I think Sturgeon said 'trans' not 'a trans' and that syntax looks a bit odd. I'll rewatch and check.

Sturgeon is desperately spouting gibberish as her party loses supporters and money in a daily basis. Are any of her band of merry men/ women/ rapists going to be brave enough to demand her resignation?