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'Nicola Sturgeon and the vindication of the Terfs' by James Kirkup

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Rightsraptor · 30/01/2023 16:41

Another excellent article by James K in The Spectator & MN moderators - please note I am citing JK's exact title here so I haven't used *

James has always written very clearly about this and has been bang on the money. He wrote nearly five years ago that accepting self-identified gender at face value could lead to policies and practices apt to be exploited by predatory men. And what did I read in the paper only today? That the Scottish Justice Minister Keith Brown (is that the name?) is still saying that they accept people's gender at face value.

But the real reason I wanted to start this thread was this, again James's words:
'... but the names of those women [who have been shouting long & loud about this] should be recorded as they are - sadly - vindicated . Nicola Williams of Fair Play for Women. Ruth Serwotka, Judith Green and many others from Woman's Place UK. Kate Coleman from Keep Prisons Single Sex. Journalists Janice Turner, Sarah Ditum, Helen Joyce, Helen Lewis and - all hail - Julie Bindel. MurrayBlackburnMackenzie. For Women Scotland. Some writer from south Edinburgh called Jo. Mumsnet.'

And amen to all of that. The best of women. 👏❤

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peachescariad · 31/01/2023 12:49

Great article - have had huge admiration for James Kirkup over the last 5 years....today I'm just a little bit less angry...

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 12:45

DerekFaker · 31/01/2023 12:40

Why are you fewmin, hun?

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It's spelt wrong

DerekFaker · 31/01/2023 12:40

NecessaryScene · 30/01/2023 16:50

Mumnset

😡

Why are you fewmin, hun?

mrshoho · 31/01/2023 12:25

😁 oh yes please!

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 12:12

mrshoho · 31/01/2023 08:17

Love it @Boiledbeetle . Do you think in a few hundred years we even have 'Merkin Night' to commemorate this remarkable heroine? I hope so.

Fuck a few hundred years. The first anniversary will be here before we know it!. We've got less than 11 months to get our merkins ready for the Miller Merkin Minge Festival.

And than in a couple of 100 years they are celebrating the 200th Miller Merkin Minge Festival..

It will be a pilgrimage for young girls, where over a week they'll learn all the mysteries of womanhood, what the parts of your body are called and what they do and as a nod to the Miller Merkin herself they'll all get lessons in pelvic floor exercises.

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2023 08:26

PacificState · 30/01/2023 21:10

I am not Helen Lewis. Bloody wish I was, but I'm not. I just think she's excellent.

You just reminded me I never finished her Gurus podcast series. It snowed and I usually listen to it in the garden so I'll get back on it now it is above zero here.

mrshoho · 31/01/2023 08:17

Love it @Boiledbeetle . Do you think in a few hundred years we even have 'Merkin Night' to commemorate this remarkable heroine? I hope so.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 00:03

KohlaParasaurus · 30/01/2023 23:01

The more times the names of the brave women who dared to stand up and speak out are written down, the better the chance of those names making it into history. I think there's a risk that when this madness comes to an end and our great-grandchildren are learning history the credit for bringing the era of gender politics will not go to the grassroots female campaigners, it will be appropriated by or on behalf of politicians who have arrived late on the scene.

Then I want to mention the merkin wearer of tales that will be told to children on their grannies knees...

of how Elaine Miller the First Minister of Scotland from 2025 -2043 on the passing of the GRR Bill, in December 2022, raised her skirt and flashed her merkin to the members of Parliament. And that was the day Nicola Sturgeon's fate was sealed.

'Nicola Sturgeon and the vindication of the Terfs' by James Kirkup
Anklespraying · 30/01/2023 23:49

DuesToTheDirt · 30/01/2023 18:19

"That the Scottish Justice Minister Keith Brown (is that the name?) is still saying that they accept people's gender at face value."

We just need to do that literally and we'll be sorted. Man's face = man!

Perfect approach!

Tallisker · 30/01/2023 23:37

I should have been clearer. I meant Jo Cherry, that marvellous woman who says "Twitter" so beautifully, and the other Jo, a writer, a philanthropist and another marvellous woman. One of the most famous in the world 🥰

EpicChaos · 30/01/2023 23:23

Waitwhat23 · 30/01/2023 23:18

Probably Joanna Cherry, MP, whose constituency is the South West of Edinburgh.

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@Waitwhat23 Thank you,yes, Jo Cherry, that would be the one, i just couldn't place a JC, d'oh!
That makes sense now.

Waitwhat23 · 30/01/2023 23:18

EpicChaos · 30/01/2023 23:12

@EzzieM Already dealt with at 22:27, approx 25 minutes before your reply :-)

@pattihews I refer you to the reply to Ezzie above, a case of physic heal thy self, maybe? lol

In any case, as pointed out by Tallisker, the Jo referred to in the article might not have been JK Rowling but a different writer?

Probably Joanna Cherry, MP, whose constituency is the South West of Edinburgh.

TheLeadbetterLife · 30/01/2023 23:13

PacificState · 30/01/2023 21:10

I am not Helen Lewis. Bloody wish I was, but I'm not. I just think she's excellent.

I agree. Helen Lewis is great (I'm not her either, sadly). Some people are being a bit No True Scotsman about this. Not everyone has to be a suffragette, suffragists of all kinds are vital. Not least because it's too easy to dismiss the movement as fringe if everyone within it says / does / thinks the same things. The broader it is, the harder it is to write off.

EpicChaos · 30/01/2023 23:12

@EzzieM Already dealt with at 22:27, approx 25 minutes before your reply :-)

@pattihews I refer you to the reply to Ezzie above, a case of physic heal thy self, maybe? lol

In any case, as pointed out by Tallisker, the Jo referred to in the article might not have been JK Rowling but a different writer?

Waitwhat23 · 30/01/2023 23:07

Tallisker · 30/01/2023 23:04

I think he's getting his Jos muddled up. The south Edinburgh one's the KC? However, three cheers for both Edinburgh Jos, even if they live in opposite side of the city they're only a few miles apart 😁

She'd be West I think? But yes, three cheers for Edinburgh Jo's!

Tallisker · 30/01/2023 23:04

I think he's getting his Jos muddled up. The south Edinburgh one's the KC? However, three cheers for both Edinburgh Jos, even if they live in opposite side of the city they're only a few miles apart 😁

Appalonia · 30/01/2023 23:03

James Kirkup was one of the first journalists bringing awareness to this issue in 2017? I have the utmost respect for him in what he's done as NO ONE was talking about this then. I may not agree with him on other issues but on this he's shown huge integrity and for that I'll always be hugely grate ful.

KohlaParasaurus · 30/01/2023 23:01

The more times the names of the brave women who dared to stand up and speak out are written down, the better the chance of those names making it into history. I think there's a risk that when this madness comes to an end and our great-grandchildren are learning history the credit for bringing the era of gender politics will not go to the grassroots female campaigners, it will be appropriated by or on behalf of politicians who have arrived late on the scene.

Waitwhat23 · 30/01/2023 22:57

Honestly, the South Edinburgh thing confused me because I thought she was in NW Edinburgh.

pattihews · 30/01/2023 22:54

He mentions Jo from South Edinburgh. Keep up.

EzzieM · 30/01/2023 22:52

EpicChaos · 30/01/2023 20:22

And no mention of JK Rowling! She has been an absolute diamond on this subject! ( not just because she's a pretty, shiny thing, though she has shone brilliantly but also with the hardness and resilliance, as per Moh's! )
KJK should have had a mention too, imo, as should others, that posters have already mentioned so far on this thread and no doubt, those names yet to come.

If we're counting non Brits, a shout out for Martina Navratilova is a must, imo

I’m not sure I agree. The title of the article is itself is a nod to the Harry Potter books. He’s perhaps suggesting that the current mood was written by JK Rowling.

bigbabycooker · 30/01/2023 22:43

If you listen to theNews Quiz from a couple of weeks ago, I think it is pretty clear where Helen Lewis is. As it is a comedy programme, she has to clearly check herself in order to prevent herself from tearing shaparak khorsandi (who is spoiling for a fight on it) to pieces, but very clearly clarifies that she is on the opposite side of the fight....

RudsyFarmer · 30/01/2023 22:30

Owen Jones deserves a mention for peeking me 👏

EpicChaos · 30/01/2023 22:27

Ah, in that case, I'll be over there --> in the corner, stood standing corrected then @mrshoho @inventinglouise
I just went by other posts on the thread without reading the article - that'll learn me! :-(

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Rightsraptor · 30/01/2023 22:06

I like it @Johnduttonsbuttocks !

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