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31 Jan 15:15 Women & Equalities Committee - Scottish GRR Bill

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GreenUp · 30/01/2023 16:17

Tomorrow 31st Jan at 15:15 the UK Government's Women and Equalities Committee are holding an evidence gathering session in relation to the Scottish GRR Bill. We can watch on Parliament TV live.

The witnesses are:
Naomi Cunningham Barrister and member of legal feminist
Dr Michael Foran, Public Law lecturer at Glasgow University.
Lord Charlie Falconer Barrister
Robin White Barrister

committees.parliament.uk/event/17258/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

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Signalbox · 31/01/2023 20:21

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 20:08

I'm sorry but this really shows up the stupidity of the law.

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It shows the pointlessness of the law. RW seemed to imply it caused no difficulties at all. Whoever it was asking the questions on the other hand looked mortified. It was really odd.

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Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 20:08

ResisterRex · 31/01/2023 19:57

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RMW: and it isn't actually a practical difficulty. I don't have a GRC. I have had...I transitioned just before the Theresa May period and was looking forward - like the first same-sex marriage people - to being the first person on the English steps to get a GRC under the system. And I've waited for that. But I practice under my female name. I pay my taxes under my old gender.

Goes on to note - only has one tax number and pays them perfectly happily.

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I'm sorry but this really shows up the stupidity of the law.

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2023 20:07

IwantToRetire · 31/01/2023 17:34

I was typing something when a fire alarm went off and I thought I had posted it but now cant see it.

So sorry if this is here and somehow not appearing but an intersting point made by Michael who I was originally so rude about.

SSE apply to "servcies" but not to "associations". He was talking about a group of women meeting informally to meet up and even act as a support group, could be challenged under gender recognition discrimination, but a service could not because they could apply the SSE.

Mentioning this as it has come up as a point of discussion.

So strictly speaking, you couldn't have a group of friends meeting up as an informal menopause group without having to include men? That's depressing.

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2023 20:03

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2023 19:49

You are correct - Legal Feminist has a good summary of the situation -

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/12/fostering-good-relations/

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Reading the resignation thread, it's depressing to see that ERCC aren't even bothering to use the occupational exemption at all now when advertising for employees and volunteers and are openly saying TWAW. It just makes it obvious that they have no intention at all of using the SSE they are entitled to in any way.

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 20:00

✨✨💐💐BIG THANK YOU NAOMI CUNNINGHAM FOR USING CORRECT SEXED PRONOUNS THROUGHOUT! 💐💐✨✨

ResisterRex · 31/01/2023 19:59

IANAL but I thought you had to always be who you are legally in court matters. Civil and / or criminal. And that extends to things like witness statements (ie if you have to provide one under JR or ET proceedings) as well as whether you're a lawyer or barrister or solicitor. Anyone know for sure?

NancyDrawed · 31/01/2023 19:58

Just watching what I missed earlier.

At 15.49,

NC: That is, I think, the rhetorical manoeuvre generally known as whataboutery

(in response to the young Scottish woman (sorry, didn't catch her name) reading out a letter signed by 'women's groups' regarding other pressing issues that could be being tackled rather than wasting time on this...)

Ouch

EndlessTea · 31/01/2023 19:57

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:52

You weren't the only one to make the same mistake on reading.

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🤣

ResisterRex · 31/01/2023 19:57

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:20

Robin has No GRC??

Did I hear right?

At 16:25:09

RMW: and it isn't actually a practical difficulty. I don't have a GRC. I have had...I transitioned just before the Theresa May period and was looking forward - like the first same-sex marriage people - to being the first person on the English steps to get a GRC under the system. And I've waited for that. But I practice under my female name. I pay my taxes under my old gender.

Goes on to note - only has one tax number and pays them perfectly happily.

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2023 19:56

Tinysoxxx · 31/01/2023 19:47

Weren’t centres in Scotland/elsewhere having to be inclusive of men to get funding?

Yes, there's a regular poster in here who works in a centre and has said that they have to fund a male group in a different service in order to keep their own funding iirc. Not even just signposting to a male group but having to fund them. It's not reciprocal though (obviously).

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:52

ArabellaScott · 31/01/2023 16:31

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You weren't the only one to make the same mistake on reading.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:50

I can't manage the last 25 minutes my mind has melted.

Upshot the law is an ass (but no one is sure if it's a male or female ass)

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2023 19:49

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You are correct - Legal Feminist has a good summary of the situation -

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/12/fostering-good-relations/

WarriorN · 31/01/2023 19:49

Tinysoxxx · 31/01/2023 19:47

Weren’t centres in Scotland/elsewhere having to be inclusive of men to get funding?

Yes I believe so

WarriorN · 31/01/2023 19:48

They're just growing round in circles.

Lord f on the one hand describes the gatekeeping with the current system and then says the Scottish idea (zero gatekeeping) doesn't cause issues against the EA laws because the current system (with some gatekeeping) doesn't Confused

happydappy2 · 31/01/2023 19:47

The only way out of this mess is to repeal the GRA. Men can look how they like & wear what they please but they must stay out of womens single sex spaces/services. Otherwise all safeguarding goes out the window!

Tinysoxxx · 31/01/2023 19:47

Weren’t centres in Scotland/elsewhere having to be inclusive of men to get funding?

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:44

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WarriorN · 31/01/2023 19:39

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WarriorN · 31/01/2023 19:39

Ah I've just realised Kate is a friend of a friend near me. Their kids in the same year. My friend is gently GC now and said Kate only sees it through the past in terms of how hard it was to be gay.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:39

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Tinysoxxx · 31/01/2023 19:38

Summary: it’s all a mess. No one can agree. Even the ‘experts’.

So how on earth is everyone supposed to understand/navigate it.

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:37

"What your talking about is the law going bonkers"

To late mate it already has that's why you are having this deranged meeting

WarriorN · 31/01/2023 19:34

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:20

Robin has No GRC??

Did I hear right?

I'm just at that bit ..........👀

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2023 19:32

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