31 Jan 15:15 Women & Equalities Committee - Scottish GRR Bill

Charlie is a total misogynist windbag. Michael was excellent, Naomi was fantastic.

My last PIP assessment was nearly 200 pages long and contained countless consultants and doctors letters, test results, etc.

What, you mean biology was relevant? Whowuddathought?

My last PIP assessment was nearly 200 pages long and contained countless consultants and doctors letters, test results, etc.

I had to tell the most personal intimate things in that form, as anyone who had ever applied for disability benefits will attest, and I once got refused and had to go all the way to Tribunal and explain to judge in court why I was worthy of benefits.

I live in constant fear that the DWP could turn my life upside down next time I'm due for renewal. Nothing will have changed, but I'll have to collect all new evidence to prove it. It will require me to get someone else to put it all together for me, which means someone non medical will now know everything.

And i will have to do this every few years for the rest of my life.

And some people can't even be arsed to do less work for something that they never have to do again!

fuck me!

Obviously we’ve yet to see what the courts make of the situation but I’ve come to the conclusion that for trans activists it’s not really about spaces or “admin” or being buried “in the correct gender”. It’s about getting one over on women and it’s symbolic of society’s disdain for female people. Historically single sex spaces have been maintained through social convention. That has pretty much been dismantled now as far as I can see. Men are already using women’s spaces and there’s not a lot we can do to prevent it. The laws are already against us on this and self ID just feels like the final nail in the coffin. So I think in reality the main benefit of self ID is that it will be such a massive blow to so many women. It’s basically a symbolic punch in the face.

I don’t know. But I do know my Dd was put off attending a ‘get more women in Parliament’ event because at least two of the six were not biological women, even though they dressed as stereotypically women.

One of the reasons given for applying for a GRC being currently so onerous is that it’s very intrusive

I expect having to explain to a doctor that your motivation for role playing as a woman is sexual arousal would feel pretty intrusive, no?

I would venture to suggest though that the problem here is the motivation of the applicant, not the gatekeeping questions

I personally couldn't comment.

I'd get banned

According to RMW's testimony yesterday in front of MPs.

So Robin Moira White is both biologically and legally male?

So basically yet another hypocrite calling women transphobes whilst simultaneously raising the exact same concerns about self ID.

Interesting it is very difficult to think of instances the other way round - breastfeeding by choice for a biological woman with a GRC is the only thing I can think of? But then you could say they decided that was best for the child.

Freddy McConnell got a GRC and then immediately got pregnant via artificial insemination. This should have been grounds for removal of the GRC as Freddy was definitely not living as a man at that point.

Robin's reasons for not applying for a GRC are set out here, in evidence given to the Women and Equalities Committee in 2020.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/16982/pdf/

Interestingly, in addition to saying "It does not appear to me to determine any rights which are significant to me", Robin appears to be against the secrecy clause in the GRA: "I do not like the fact that, if I obtained a GRC I might be the cause of, for example, and HR adviser collecting a criminal record for a mistake
in connection with revealing my history under s22 of the GRA."

So Robin seems to think that (1) GRC's are completely pointless and (2) they can lead to people who make an innocent mistake being prosecuted and acquiring a criminal record.

With this evidence in mind, I'm somewhat mystified as to why Robin thinks that changing the GRA to a self-ID process and allowing anyone to change their legal sex on that basis is a good idea.

(I haven't read through the whole document, just that section on why Robin doesn't have a GRC, so maybe this apparent contradiction is explained elsewhere.)

Birth certificates are no longer the factual documents they once were. There will become a point where they might as well remove sex altogether as something recorded on a birth certificate. I guess that’s the ultimate aim of the genderists.

At the moment there are only around 5,000 falsified birth certificates so it’s still reasonable to act on the basis of the birth certificate now I think. Obviously going forward the capability to legally falsify BC’s should be removed

however if self ID becomes a thing even this imperfect backstop goes away

No it isn’t.

Standardising and having a formalised means to verify legal documents - admin - is far simpler than standardising and formalising human behaviour such as:

• Demonstrating rock-solid confidence in one’s own judgement by sense perception.
• Standing firm when faced with a highly manipulative and devious individual, including those who are charming and persuasive.
• Conscious focus and control and not defaulting to female socialisation and perhaps even animal instincts to defer to males or people articulating need.

I know very few women who are faultlessly capable of these behaviours, it would be a huge training task to instil them in women as standard.

Its far easier to make it unlawful to falsify a birth certificate.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4726257-nick-timothy-in-the-telegraph-on-the-grr

It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

I'd imagine a lot of the newly found trans status brigade, like the man in House of Fraser flashing his knob, would get knocked back. They wouldn't pass the medical bit of the process.

But if this man was insistent they were a woman so forcefully that you started to question yourself, it would be much simpler if you could say “please bring in your birth certificate and photo ID” and for the birth certificate to have not been falsified.

It's much simpler not to doubt yourself!

Capitulating to insistent men has caused this mess. Time to stop.

The situation for Irish women being locked up with violent rapists is so awful. This extract from 'Kylie Jender' on twitter points to how Sturgeon and al would have continued if there hadn't been the constitutional issue. Helen McEntee seems to think men (inc these sex offenders) are the real vulnerable people. Bringing blasphemy back too re gender woo.

Charlie Flanagan and Helen McEntee, consecutive Irish Ministers for Justice, must be only delighted that much of the Irish media didn’t find anything newsworthy about three extremely violent men being placed in the women’s wing of Limerick Prison during their watch.

Yes I couldn't quite work out where she stood there. Was it a jibe, prompt or genuine query?

I think what might be annoying about (for Irish people) is the implication that Laoise's post would need confirmation by a British source. I doubt that is what KA meant (probably didn't think), but it might have come across that way.

And, seriously, The Guardian as a trusted source. Knowing that Hadley Freeman was gagged and censored... . Or BBC.

That is quite a clever way of challenging the BBC and the Guardian to investigate and not ignore this.