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Tiffany Scott 'not a threat' - justice minister

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ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 11:56

These people are stark raving mad.

'"This changes on a regular basis but it is my understanding there are no transgender women in the female estate that have violence against women convictions.'

Fucking WHAT?!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64431383

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nilsmousehammer · 30/01/2023 17:21

JKRfan · 30/01/2023 16:57

Exactly they have been 'given an inch and have taken a mile' so the only way is a simple NO.

This.

If this fully transitioned, all the surgery, convicted for a bit of gentle fraud male TQ+ person exists, I'd suggest to them to keep their head well down before their rarity value means the SNP stuffs them in a glass case as their key exhibit.

But what is in the public domain is the clear evidence that in a small number of males cleared for the female estate there is a very high percentage of murder convictions, rape convictions, sexual assault, violence both before and during incarceration and all fully intact, unaltered males, and two have completed sentences but are not safe to be released.

The fully surgically transitioned, bent accountant myth is pure manipulation. It is knowing and intentional manipulation. And its has worked to get people's sympathy and naivety exploited for these dangerous, violent men to have access to women. Not the space: a space could easily have been provided. Remember that. The goal was the access to women.

It shows as years of this now shows: every inch offered is used to hijack several miles and it's time for some very strong boundaries. No. No males at all. However sad the story, however lovely the accountant.

nilsmousehammer · 30/01/2023 17:01

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:27

twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1619755562035724289

Risk Assessment Formerly Known as Rigorous

As I said to a friend today, I was once shown a risk assessment by a playgroup for a toddler who was going through a biting phase. It was far, far more rigorous than this!

JKRfan · 30/01/2023 16:57

ditalini · 30/01/2023 12:09

It's so odd than when the "be kind" brigade wang on about "fully transitioned" accountants being no risk and surely there should be exceptions, the SPS are determined to get the most violent offenders into the female estate - zero tolerance to this shite is the only thing that will stop them trying to get this stuff through.

Exactly they have been 'given an inch and have taken a mile' so the only way is a simple NO.

TheClogLady · 30/01/2023 16:49

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:27

twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1619755562035724289

Risk Assessment Formerly Known as Rigorous

That risk assessment identifies as being rigorous.

TheClogLady · 30/01/2023 16:46

Absolutely bonkers.

Two narrow misses due to public uproar ‘Isla’ and ‘Tiffany’.

‘Katie’ attacked female children and a male prisoner but is out on licence, likely in a womens homeless shelter or halfway house.

‘Paris’ tortured and killed a man

‘Sophie’ killed another male prisoner but now identifies as baby and so was transferred out of the female prison into to a young offenders unit. Sophie is 36.

Who else do we know about?

Plus, what happens if a man who says he’s a woman commits an offence against a woman who says she’s a man? What about if the woman says she has no sex and is genderfluid?

I’m absolutely fed up with this slippery shit.

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 16:31

We can hope, Boiled.

With any luck it'll work in reverse, and people will start to join the dots.

Rapists shouldn't be in women's prisons.
Actually, men shouldn't be in women's prisons.
Actually, men shouldn't be in women's spaces, full stop.

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Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2023 14:54

You know considering the idea behind getting men into the female prison estate first was to prove to everyone else that men in women's spaces was totally fine no problem. The fact that actually it turns out that it's a big Fucking problem for all but the most stupid of devout followers should mean the rest of this shit and nonsense is stopped. Let's see shall we.

Dodecaheidyin · 30/01/2023 14:52

Keith Brown is an absolutely odious man.

100%

BellaAmorosa · 30/01/2023 14:33

DarkDayforMN · 30/01/2023 13:04

They're legally women, so again, he is technically correct. More verbal sleight of hand.

You think he's defining "transgender women" to exclude penispeople with GRCs? I suppose now you say it, it's totally possible there's a footnote in a briefing document somewhere which allows him to get away with this, on the basis that if you can't measure a thing it doesn't exist.

Well, legal sex = bio sex for all purposes, so...

is how I imagine the reasoning.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/01/2023 13:28

Careful choice of words and Andrew Burns is waiting for transfer.

Exactly. And I came to say as other pp have that Dolatowski has just been released very recently.

Saltovinegar · 30/01/2023 13:27

Keith Brown is an absolutely odious man. He must either really hate women or be so power hungry he couldn't give a hoot about them. Perhaps it's both.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/01/2023 13:26

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:51

This, for example, Keith:

'Brown added that, in exceptional circumstances, a trans woman could be moved to a female prison, but that would require the approval of Scottish ministers before a decision is taken.'

Why then did Sturgeon say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=k-0jOVx9sVg

Do ministers have to approve each trans prisoner's placement or not?

Interesting to see the lying to cover arses phase starting

DarkDayforMN · 30/01/2023 13:15

twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1619755562035724289

And that's the "risk assessment" for men without GRCs! The ones with GRCs are given even less consideration. Fucking hell.

Merrymouse · 30/01/2023 13:09

And for those that say 'well it's the same as having other members of the LGBTQ+ population in prisons as they might be attracted to other women / men in the population' - no, it isn't. They are usually still their birth gender and have always been that sexuality, they are not exploiting the fact that gender reassignment is becoming more accepted and available.

Also, the two populations just aren’t comparable. There are 668 men in Scottish prisons charged with rape or attempted rape. That is more double the entire number of women held in the female estate.

The number of women charged with sexual offences is unclear, but looks like less than 5 from the chart in this report.

www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-prison-population-statistics-2021-22/pages/7/

It should be glaringly obvious that Men and women’s prisons are very different in make up and size, but it’s not at all clear whether this is taken into account, either in policy or risk assessment.

DarkDayforMN · 30/01/2023 13:04

They're legally women, so again, he is technically correct. More verbal sleight of hand.

You think he's defining "transgender women" to exclude penispeople with GRCs? I suppose now you say it, it's totally possible there's a footnote in a briefing document somewhere which allows him to get away with this, on the basis that if you can't measure a thing it doesn't exist.

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:55

Either it's 'an operational decision' and entirely in the hands of the SPS, which I believe was Brown's position last week; or it's something that has to be approved by Ministers.

Are they washing their hands of the matter, or clutching at straws?

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ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:51

This, for example, Keith:

'Brown added that, in exceptional circumstances, a trans woman could be moved to a female prison, but that would require the approval of Scottish ministers before a decision is taken.'

Why then did Sturgeon say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=k-0jOVx9sVg

Do ministers have to approve each trans prisoner's placement or not?

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Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2023 12:47

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:27

twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1619755562035724289

Risk Assessment Formerly Known as Rigorous

Confirms what we all thought really

Walrussy · 30/01/2023 12:46

WHERE THE FUCK are all the TRA apologists on these threads?
Where are you all?

Could it be that even YOU lot know you cannot defend the indefensible?

Let's hear from you!
Seems you don't have much to say on these threads?

TWAW right?

Not on this thread but here are some transwomen getting very angry about transwomen sex offenders not being allowed in the female estate, and the fact that under UK law, a cis (sic) woman can't commit rape.

www.reddit.com/r/transgender/comments/10m2f2c/glasgow_trans_woman_convicted_of_rape_will_not_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

That's the problem when you lie, especially when it's a huge lie. Reality keeps stepping in to bite you on the arse.

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:45

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-trans-inmates-in-scotlands-female-jails-violent-towards-women-6dp68qfpm

'Keith Brown told BBC Radio Scotland that a decision on Scott’s placement “wasn’t taken” and has not been given approval from the risk management authority, adding: “There is so much in the public domain which is incorrect.”'

Yes, Keith. Much of it is your own work.

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EzzieM · 30/01/2023 12:44

Politicians need to decide whether British women in prison are entitled to any kind of dignity and safety, or whether they have zero rights. If they want to turn British prisons like the kind we see in America, I’m moving to Dubai.

reduxx.info/exclusive-female-inmate-reports-rape-occurred-in-california-womens-prison/

TempbecauseIneedtocomment · 30/01/2023 12:44

Changed name in order to comment on this.

I have trans friends. They have changed after a lot of counselling and preparation, and after going through hell living in their original genders. And they haven't done it lightly or quickly.

The fact that both Isla Burns and 'Tiffany' Johnson transitioned either just after or while on remand for crimes against women really points to the fact that they have done this simply to play the system, and in an attempt to be near women.

I wonder how long they will maintain their new identities when denied a fresh pool of victims.

I am also worried for women in Scotland if their government goes ahead with its Gender Recognition Bill. Because their own laws will allow men to change gender - possibly even when on bail for crimes against women - without any way of stopping them. These cases are just showing up the flaws in their plans.

And for those that say 'well it's the same as having other members of the LGBTQ+ population in prisons as they might be attracted to other women / men in the population' - no, it isn't. They are usually still their birth gender and have always been that sexuality, they are not exploiting the fact that gender reassignment is becoming more accepted and available.

I agree with what the previous head of the Scottish prison service said - hold trans prisoners in specific units, away from the mainstream prison population. This is even more necessary if they have been convicted of violent or sexual offences, regardless of the gender of their victims.

EzzieM · 30/01/2023 12:41

Risk or no risk why should vulnerable women be forced to shower naked in front of men with erections, as Amanda Benson was?

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ex-prisoner-shaking-fear-sharing-29075541

ArabellaScott · 30/01/2023 12:40

'"The bill was passed by democratically by the Scottish Parliament. It is not Nicola Sturgeon's bill, it's not my bill, it is not the SNP's bill. It was a bill passed by parties in the Scottish Parliament," he said.'

This is true. Men in women's prisons is only one part of this mess.

And this issue ALSO applies to E&W, where the details are different, but the basic fact remains - the single sex exceptions in the EA are not being upheld.

Men are being given the green light to use women's spaces; in hospitals, in prisons, in changing rooms and in schools.

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BellaAmorosa · 30/01/2023 12:40

pointing to that abomination