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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man/Woman, male/female, male bodied/female bodied

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TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 29/01/2023 20:15

When I speak to people about sex and gender, I tend to use man and woman because I refuse to give ground on those words. But it can get a little confusing when talking to someone who doesn't know a lot about the topic.

My partner says that using males and females is straight to the point eg don't say trans identifying men, or trans women, or men, just say male (males in female toilets). Everyone knows what it means. There's no ambiguity, no confusion. It shocks and informs. When I talk about sports or prisons I do automatically say male and female.

But it's beginning to get blurred because TRAs are pushing the boundaries again and appropriating female and male.

Now, I never say male/female bodied people because, well, I just don't like the term. Probably because it feels too far away from the words man and woman.

What words do you use to describe men and women, especially if they identify as trans? A month or so ago there was a thread by a poster about what she thinks we should call TW and TM (used for convenience) but I can't find it and I can't remember if there was a consensus reached.

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BellaAmorosa · 29/01/2023 20:45

I think my issue with "male-bodied" is that it carries the implication that you are talking about a type of body which might belong to a male or a female person. Like endomorph/mesomorph/ectomorph.

BellaAmorosa · 29/01/2023 20:40

Male and female can be nouns as well. It's just they're not specific to humans, or even animals. "The female indicates to te male she is ready for mating."
Woman = adult (mature) human (species) female (sex). All those words take the same form whether used as adjectives or nouns.

I say
man/woman
man who claims to be a woman/woman who claims to be a man
people who claim a special identity

Whatsnewpussyhat · 29/01/2023 20:40

One of the articles about the stalker called him a 'female trans person' and I've seen a lot of things in sports, especially in America using 'trans female' to describe males instead of 'transwoman'

It's very deliberate and was predicted by everyone here. They took woman then came for female.
They are still neither of those things though and we shouldn't have to police our own reality/sex based language in order to pander to a male's fantasy of womanhood.

EndlessTea · 29/01/2023 20:32

I think we should, where we can, baldly say man and woman, boy and girl.

However, if you think you will be censored, it can sometimes be less contentious to say male and female.

If you are talking to someone who is a bit #bekind brainwashed and who shuts down saying “TWAW, TWAM, NBPAV” like a malfunction alarm, at any sign of intellectual threat, it is better to say ‘male-bodied/female-bodied’.
Bringing them down to Earth, picturing something real like a human body and not just a made-up abstraction, helps to calm them down and bypass their programming.

Of course the fellas who are desperate to be us and to leave us no linguistic means to distinguish ourselves from them, now talk about ‘trans female’, ‘becoming female’, etc.

They will do the same with any words we use, so it is now a hard line, back to man and woman, or ‘man who pretends to be what he imagines a woman is’ and ‘woman who pretends to be what she imagines a man is’.

NotBadConsidering · 29/01/2023 20:27

Check out #justsaymen on Twitter. I say men everywhere apart from on here, where reality is policed by Monitors and pandered to.

HagoftheNorth · 29/01/2023 20:26

I think the term mentioned was eg ‘men who identify as women’ or it might have been ‘men who pretend to be women’ , which I do like, but it’s a bit of a mouthful. I just use men and women, and clarify if it’s absolutely necessary (you know, the old fashioned kind)

Ingenieur · 29/01/2023 20:19

Woman/ man are nouns relating to sex, female/ male are the adjectives related to those nouns. Masculine and feminine are adjectives relating to gender.

Using female and male as nouns sounds a bit icky to me, sort of dehumanizing, as though you are talking about livestock or a nature documentary.

There is no need for "female bodied".