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SPS halts movement of transgender prisoners

95 replies

highame · 29/01/2023 16:47

An urgent review is to take place. . The backlash must have been outstanding.

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MidsomerMurmurs · 29/01/2023 20:06

The only thing that could surprise me now would be if a Howe style cricketing anaolgy was used to shove the wooden stake deep into her heart

The comments on Wings seem to reckon Ash Regan will “do a Howe” and that Sturgeon is terrified of this and is lashing out left right and centre.

Howe 1990: “It is rather like sending your opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find, the moment the first balls are bowled, that their bats have been broken before the game, by the team captain”

Someone at Holyrood 2023: “It is rather like sending your opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find, the moment the first balls are bowled, that the UN special rapporteur on torture has spoken up on the inhumane policy of allowing males in female prisons in Scotland”.

lechiffre55 · 29/01/2023 19:57

MiladeeBeserko · 29/01/2023 19:46

Who will be Howe?

The only thing that could surprise me now would be if a Howe style cricketing anaolgy was used to shove the wooden stake deep into her heart. Apart from that it's like watching a re-run. A deeply unpopular policy pushed hard by a leader who doesn't give a fork what the voters think. A party trying to present as united while cracks spread throughout. A public protesting on the streets. If anything this looks worse, at least Thatcher didn't have the lol shitshow of furries against fascism standing right behind her. Hello Nicola, that's a bad sign. Adults who enjoy pooping in diapers and then walking around in their self soiled daipers are not the champions you think they are.

Pootleplum · 29/01/2023 19:48

Thank god. But how could this have happened! How could anyone have thought it was ok. How could women be called racist bigots for opposing self id? I'll never get over the horror of it.

MiladeeBeserko · 29/01/2023 19:46

Who will be Howe?

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 29/01/2023 19:42

How do they I tend to work out who’s trans?

lechiffre55 · 29/01/2023 19:32

PSNonsense · 29/01/2023 19:23

I really hope so. I was on the fence about Independence but I'll never, ever give the SNP my vote, or vote for Independence under them due to gender ideology nonsense. Sturgeon needs to go.

Sturgeon reminds me of Thatcher. Such self belief in her own bubble that she doesn't give a flying fork about what's going on outside of her bubble. An unshakable belief that she can do no wrong. Complete detachment from reality. An ego out of control. A complete refusal to listen.
For a few days now I have come to the belief that her downfall will mimic Thatcher's just as much as her route to to it already has done. I expect it to play out exactly the same. I expect Sturgeon to be just as shocked as Thatcher was. I'm getting sertious deja vu.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/01/2023 19:28

Billy Bragg must be gutted

Hoardasurass · 29/01/2023 19:26

I wonder if Stergon is regretting that grubby little deal she made with the greens yet 🤔

PSNonsense · 29/01/2023 19:23

lechiffre55 · 29/01/2023 19:20

I wonder if the SNP is fatally wounding the independence movement for the next generation or two. What a spectacular way to do yourselves in.

I really hope so. I was on the fence about Independence but I'll never, ever give the SNP my vote, or vote for Independence under them due to gender ideology nonsense. Sturgeon needs to go.

PSNonsense · 29/01/2023 19:21

Nicked off Twitter..

SPS halts movement of transgender prisoners
lechiffre55 · 29/01/2023 19:20

I wonder if the SNP is fatally wounding the independence movement for the next generation or two. What a spectacular way to do yourselves in.

georgarina · 29/01/2023 19:17

Rheia1983 · 29/01/2023 18:33

"Justice Secretary Keith Brown said the "urgent lessons learned review" into the Bryson case would be completed by Friday."

It should never have come to the stage that you would ever need an "urgent lessons learned review" you fucking wankers.

The lessons didn't need to be learned, it was blatantly obvious but the people who stated it were shouted down and smeared...

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 18:59

Next set of tweets and letters need to go to Ash Regan - questions including:

  • has this much vaunted risk assessment that Scott passed ever concluded no to a male entering the women's estate?
  • is the male or female risk assessment used?
  • will grassroots independent experts on women and trauma be consulted? Or just the SNP sock puppets and 'trauma experts' led by men with a personal political bias in finding against women's interests who created this disaster in the first place?
Villagetoraiseachild · 29/01/2023 18:59

Who is the main campaigning body on this issue?

Do both the GRA and the GRC need to be repealed in order that women's prisons are for women only?

What is the shortest legal route to stop this travesty?

OneMorePlant · 29/01/2023 18:52

I feel this "halt" is just temporary to let the heat cool down. Ladies we need to keep pushing and keep talking about this and put more wood on the fire.

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 18:46

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 18:11

Sandy of Rape Crisis Scotland, who is most concerned about the threat these males pose to each other, but doesnt mention women.

twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1619041454915207168

You couldn't make it up could you?

To consider female humans is actively painful to this bunch of lunatics.

Villagetoraiseachild · 29/01/2023 18:44

Thank you @WarriorN for the Julie Bindel clip.
She's not holding back there.

happydappy2 · 29/01/2023 18:42

prisons really have to be single sex, it’s the only possible way to move forward. No matter what surgery a person has or how they feel or identify, humans cannot change sex. It’s not fair on the inmates or the officers to subject women to mixed sex prisons.

Rheia1983 · 29/01/2023 18:33

"Justice Secretary Keith Brown said the "urgent lessons learned review" into the Bryson case would be completed by Friday."

It should never have come to the stage that you would ever need an "urgent lessons learned review" you fucking wankers.

WhiteFire · 29/01/2023 18:33

According to the latest Scottish Prison Service statistics, there were 11 trans women, four trans men and three non-binary/gender fluid prisoners between July and September 2022. There were 7,092 male prisoners and 280 female inmates.

(From the BBC website)

A complete and utter absence of why they are there though. So close, but yet so far.

BaroldNedmunds · 29/01/2023 18:29

It’s a step forward, but forgive me for wondering…….

The spokesperson added: "Until the review is completed, any trans individuals, with a history of violence towards women, will only be admitted to the male estate, in segregation, when they first enter our care.

…..why do they need a review? It’s seems quite straightforward. If you have/had a penis and a history of violence towards women, you can’t be sent to a woman’s prison.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/01/2023 18:20

Oh fuck not Mr Idul Wotnow!

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 18:11

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 17:37

Yup.

Shall we take bets?

Sandy of Rape Crisis Scotland, who is most concerned about the threat these males pose to each other, but doesnt mention women.

twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1619041454915207168

picklemewalnuts · 29/01/2023 18:10

"The review would consider any history of violence or sexual offending against women, and any associated risk they pose.

The spokesperson added: "Until the review is completed, any trans individuals, with a history of violence towards women, will only be admitted to the male estate, in segregation, when they first enter our care."

So they won't unthinkingly shove men in with women, they'll only do it after they've had a good think?

I'm sorry it would be much more efficient to continue segregating by sex, as has historically been the expectation. Save a lot of time and effort if you just put men in men's prisons!

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 18:09

These are the ones who have been 'risk assessed' as fine to pop in the female estate. Wtaf are the ones still in the male estate like?

Shock