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Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott

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Signalbox · 28/01/2023 11:30

Wtf is going on? Another violent man being moved to a women's prison in Scotland. A man so violent they can't even take him to court and NHS staff refuse to treat him.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-trans-prisoner-storm-looms-29069314

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NecessaryScene · 29/01/2023 13:13

This is genius!

Yes, watch that! Good effort from Konstantin - kept it going longer than I thought he could.

One serious snippet there:

You know what, I did say to them on Question Time last night, which I'm sure we'll talk about, "why don't we talk about this story?"

And they said, "we don't have an LGBTQ person on the panel, so we can't talk about it."

Iluvfriends · 29/01/2023 13:09

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:52

Please explain how a fully transitioned trans woman is biologically different from someone born female?

You can't be being serious here......

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 12:57

As someone who has higher than normal levels of testosterone than the female normal range due to my PCOS, I always sigh a little when I see 'being female' reduced to hormones. I am a female with an endocrine disorder. My extra testosterone doesn't make me a man in the same way that a male taking estrogen or a female taking even more testosterone makes them the opposite sex. Sex is immutable. Cosmetic surgery and hormones do not change that.

Needmoresleep · 29/01/2023 12:54

I am ambivalent about GBTV. They have been very good on gender, but I then caught some “Bring back Boris” stuff which came close to tin hat.

I flicked through the Guardian website. Nothing. Will Bindel be interviewed by the BBC? Why not?

Strange times. I can’t see much uproar about Westminster intervening. Instead the focus seems to be on Stugeon’s judgement with another of her party saying the act should be repealed. Gender recognition should never have been a party political issue. The problems seem to date back from Stonewall’s #nodebate and Acceptance without Exception, exacerbated by Sturgeon’s whip.

Acceptance is good. Exceptions need to be made to protect women and girls. Tiffany Scott is clearly one.

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 12:50

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2023 12:43

This Am I no longer female if I've had a hysterectomy? is so facile - only ONE sex will ever have to have that operation, no man or transwoman will ever need it, having that operation does not alter your sex, no bodily modification does whether something is added or removed.

Perhaps the poster also thinks that humans - a bi-pedal species - cease to be human if they lose one or both of their legs, that's the ridiculous level of that trite comment.

I can't remember if it was earlier in this thread or on another but a poster bizarrely did make an argument around a human who had lost a leg. The 'transphobia' of saying that the sex is immutable in humans was compared to being somehow 'phobic' to a person who had lost a leg.

Their point was so poorly drawn that it's hard to relate with any sort of sense.

queencactus · 29/01/2023 12:45

The Victorians recognised that someone with a penis was a danger to women, which was why they were in support of separate accommodation. I feel very let down by our politicians that they fail to recognise this. It doesn't matter if the person identifies as a man, a woman, a baby or a rainbow unicorn. If they have a penis they don't belong in a women's prison unless there are exceptional circumstances.

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2023 12:43

TheClogLady · 29/01/2023 00:12

I take artificial estrogen because I had a complete hysterectomy/oopherectomy at age 36 - am I no longer female in your eyes?

You are getting your arguments in a muddle here - we’re the people who say chopping off your knob just makes you into a knobless chap, so of course we don’t think a hysterectomy makes a woman into anything other than a woman who has had a hysterectomy!

Humans can’t change sex.
If you were born female, you’ll die female.

This Am I no longer female if I've had a hysterectomy? is so facile - only ONE sex will ever have to have that operation, no man or transwoman will ever need it, having that operation does not alter your sex, no bodily modification does whether something is added or removed.

Perhaps the poster also thinks that humans - a bi-pedal species - cease to be human if they lose one or both of their legs, that's the ridiculous level of that trite comment.

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 29/01/2023 12:35

CandlelightGlow · 29/01/2023 00:24

Lean on your strawman argument all you want, f this was just about an individual case, you wouldn't be saying the kind things I'm seeing here

@Idwtlotpam I understand where you're coming from 🌸

I don't believe that someone like Andrew Burns should be in a women's prison or in any women's places. However I do understand what you mean about cases like these being used as a justification for much more generalised transphobia.

We should not tar the 1% of trans “women” who aren’t predatory by the actions of the others…

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 12:33

How very brave of Amanda.

She is describing two men sexually abusing 38 women. Freely. With support.

While we have people here still wittering about 'well what's female' and other specious twattery that is about excusing and enabling those men in their abuse, and silencing those women.

Do this and you're culpable. All those who have wittered away wangling boundaries to the benefit of males and the suppression and oppression of women are culpable. As much as bloody Sturgeon and co are.

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 29/01/2023 12:28

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 23:19

What would you call someone who has breasts, a vagina and a body full of estrogen if not female?

You seem to not actually know what “female” means.

That may be why you seem to be speaking at cross-purposes with everyone else. What are you using the word to mean?

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 12:26

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 12:22

Ooh, I'd watch out - you might excite some TRA's into thinking a pyre has been lit somewhere!

But seriously, yes she's great!

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 12:22

Julie Bindel on fire!

twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1619661336505360384

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Clymene · 29/01/2023 12:15

God I feel sick

littlbrowndog · 29/01/2023 12:04

Torture that’s what it is

littlbrowndog · 29/01/2023 12:03

Gawd

Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott
BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/01/2023 11:50

mrshoho · 29/01/2023 09:47

I've come to the conclusion you just can't argue with stupid. I feel we've been here before and lots of circles went round and round so I'll say no more.

I don't think it's stupidity. You have to be quite clever to tie yourself up in the knots that poster has.

I think it's 'I'm a good person, la la la'

and for that to be the case there have to be people who are bad people. hence the accusations of transphobis against those who understand that men are men are men, and no woman deserves to be incarcerated with one, regardless of what he or she has done

SinnerBoy · 29/01/2023 11:47

CandlelightGlow · Today 09:34

I don't really see what's so hypocritical - I haven't said the transphobic stuff I say isn't transphobia and the transphobic stuff you say is; that's what hypocrisy is.

Well, the words are English, but that makes no sense at all.

Needmoresleep · 29/01/2023 11:45

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 29/01/2023 10:59

Amanda 💐

I almost cried. Poor woman. Brave woman. It must be incredibly hard to have to face up to your own wrongdoing and the impact it will have on your children. To then have to shower in front of naked male murderers and abusers. No. Not in any civilised society.

Datun · 29/01/2023 11:35

And, given it's only women who are in this situation, how is it not sex discrimination??

mrshoho · 29/01/2023 11:09

That is a truly harrowing situation that Amanda and other women were placed in. How can any politician believe this is in anyway the right and kind thong to do. It needs to stop.

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 29/01/2023 10:59

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 09:28

An example of the effects of 'case by case' on women in prison -

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ex-prisoner-shaking-fear-sharing-29075541#

Amanda 💐

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 10:54

Datun · 29/01/2023 10:42

Fucking hell. These women should get compensation, at the very least. What a disgusting thing to do to them.

And when they're released, these men can just walk into toilets and changing rooms used by women and girls.

What the hell are the authorities thinking!!!

It's a disgraceful way to treat women isn't it? A whole prisonful of women scared shitless day-in day-out and nobody to listen or stand up for them.

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FactsAreNotMean · 29/01/2023 10:50

Yup. They were free men before and the majority will be free men again, having learned that the protective cloak of gender identity will allow them in to any space they fancy.

If they are comfortable behaving as described whilst under supervision in prison, why on earth would they behave better once out?

Datun · 29/01/2023 10:42

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 10:32

Very brave of Amanda to go on the record...

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ex-prisoner-shaking-fear-sharing-29075541?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

She said: “My whole time in prison on constant high alert, my nerves were frazzled with fear.

“These incredibly violent men were walking around the communal shower area naked and sometimes clearly aroused. Myself and other women were in cubicles with only a curtain to protect us.

“I was shaking with fear. In the end I went to the prison clinic and had a coil fitted because I believed I could be raped at any time. I didn’t want one, I felt forced to do it.

“There was around 40 prisoners and two of them were trans. Neither appeared to be women. They dressed as men, they didn’t wear makeup, they were not so far as I know on any hormone drugs, they sounded like men.

“One of them was a domestic abuser who was over six feet tall and extremely threatening looking, the other was serving time for murder.

“All of the women who were forced to be in that prison with these people were vulnerable in different ways, many of them had been the victims of male violence, irrespective of their own offending.

“It is utterly outrageous, evil even, that we were put in a position of having to live in fear of being sexually attacked every day.

“I simply do not accept that these two prisoners were women, they were dangerous violent men who could at any point have used their strength to overpower one of the women.”

Amanda, from Inverkip in Inverclyde, has spoken out in the wake of fury at transgender double rapist Isla Bryson being placed inside a women’s prison.

Fucking hell. These women should get compensation, at the very least. What a disgusting thing to do to them.

And when they're released, these men can just walk into toilets and changing rooms used by women and girls.

What the hell are the authorities thinking!!!

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