Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott

Datun · Today 14:20

A woman was raped in hospital and it took her a whole year for the NHS to finally concede that she was raped, because they had maintained she couldn't have been because no men were in the ward, despite them knowing there was.

As it's an offence to give a false statement to the Police, I'm still bemused that whoever told the Police that it couldn't have happened, because only women were on the ward, has not been charged.

*weren't true

I suppose that is the difference between us. I just don't assume that most trans people are identifying as trans to be manipulative or predatory. That's why I would always use preferred pronouns etc

Well, I'd be really interested to know whether, if you did think they were being manipulative, and had successfully convinced the people around you of things that you knew were true, you would simply use the right pronouns.

Because I bet you wouldn't.

This petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ is biological sex,

is precisely about this.

Let’s get rid of any confusion.

To sign the petition
⬇️

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I suppose that is the difference between us. I just don't assume that most trans people are identifying as trans to be manipulative or predatory. That's why I would always use preferred pronouns etc

I don't assume all men are manipulative, predatory or violent but I know damn well that some are and they are indistinguishable from the men that aren't until it is too fucking late, the same applies to transwomen bearing in mind that they are male, they have to be male to qualify as transwomen it's the number one criteria.

All males, no matter how they identify, whatever they have done or not done to their bodies chemically, surgically or cosmetically must be kept out of all women's spaces and services FULL STOP, THE END. I care not one jot whether that upsets them or hurts their feelings, the majority of males manage not to cry into their beer about not being allowed into female single sex spaces and services, they accept it and in fact welcome it because they know full well what members of their sex can be like and they value the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of women.

Not one male relative, male friend, male acquaintance or male colleague of mine has any problem accepting and sharing male sex segregated spaces and services with transwomen - not a single one and they are not unusual in this therefore the cries of transwomen aren't safe in male single sex spaces and services is just emotional bullshit and it's high time it was exposed as such.

Riley Gaines, a woman, testifying about the impact of this ideology on her.

She will be one of tens of thousands.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4732497-riley-gaines-testifies-about-competing-against-lia-thomas?reply=123533332

it's a difficult watch.

If it's about gender identity and not biological sex, why are there so many males in female sport?

Look up Lia Thomas, laurel Hubbard, rachael mckinnon, hannah mouncey, etc.

Sport has nothing to do with gender identity. It's about sexed bodies. So why are these males competing against females?

If someone is acting oddly I would avoid or report them, whatever is appropriate. Regardless of sex or gender identity.

It's the naivete that gets me.

Women have bloody reported these men, and have been sacked, harassed and intimidated. And not just by transactivists and their allies, but by their own bosses, heads of department, and people in authority all the way up the food chain.

A woman was raped in hospital and it took her a whole year for the NHS to finally concede that she was raped, because they had maintained she couldn't have been because no men were in the ward, despite them knowing there was. It was only Baroness Nicholson's intervention that finally made them fess up. What is that if not state sanctioned rape? Report away.

And private health is no better. A woman in a private hospital had her fucking operation cancelled, purely on the basis of her views on this subject.

Posie Parker has had a police visit, where they admitted it was because she had been 'untoward towards paedophiles.'

In your head CandlelightGlow, your viewpoint and comments probably sound highly rational and fair. But you are dealing with the nationwide implementation of an ideology so comprehensively divorced from reality that it is truly insane.

All these women would have loved to have reported these men, and had some kind of recourse. They tried and were punished. And make no mistake, there are thousands. Why do you think 'no debate' has been so successful? People aren't willing to jeopardy their livelihoods or safety. They're scared.

And avoidance leads to what?

The total exclusion of women from their own spaces.

Nah.

When you ask women to permit male access to them that no other men are permitted, simply on good faith and hope that statistically the odds will be in their favour that this time they won't be harmed?

And you ask nothing at all of males in return, it's all rights with no responsibility?

And this has been driven to the extreme point where a double rapist was able to enjoy this privileged access to non consenting women and make them extremely uncomfortable before he received the conviction that justified those women in saying they were unhappy and uncomfortable?

It's gone past all tolerating.

I suppose that is the difference between us. I just don't assume that most trans people are identifying as trans to be manipulative or predatory. That's why I would always use preferred pronouns etc

The vast, vast majority of predators are male.

And biggest group of trans people in 2023 are teenage girls and young adult women who identify as transmen or as nonbinary, so of course we don’t assume that most trans people are predatory!
That would be completely nonsensical of us.

I think we’ve lost our fellow participant

i guess she sees herself as ever so reasonable, much better than all these nasty women being mean to vulnerable men

she’s so sure of herself that she’s happy to come here and throw insults around (transphobe). But not sure enough that she can actually articulate what she believes and why when challenged

sorry to single you out CandleLightGlow, but I am so very, very tired of the rudeness of the self righteous

had the woman raped in hospital and told she couldn't have been it was a single sex ward been mentioned yet?

If someone is acting oddly I would avoid or report them, whatever is appropriate. Regardless of sex or gender identity.

You mean as the trainee beauticians did when Bryson behaved inappropriately? And were scolded for being transphobic and some stopped attending the course because they couldn't cope with what Bryson was doing and were too afraid to say anything further?

The fact that Bryson later was convicted of a double rape changes nothing.

Bryson was enabled to go into female only spaces where those females were vulnerable, in ways no other men are permitted to do.

Bryson's behaviour was protected by people insisting on women being kind, generous in interpretation, to examine ones own prejudices, and Bryson had a lovely time. Didn't he?

Because his identity is was a magic exemption from usual standards. Which is why women here are being scolded for not being sufficiently polite, kind and careful of men's feelings in their rage that killers and rapists are in female prisons under this appalling ideology.

Did you know that Grayson Perry, beloved, eccentric, national treasure, used to wear voluminous skirts in order to hide his erection when he was walking around dressed as his alter ego, a little girl called Claire?

You have no idea what's going on in these people's heads.

You say that many trans women are a victim of gender stereotyping. And agree that, yes, it's inherently sexist.

You've answered your own questions, really. This is a feminist board. You won't find women here meeting male demands to further their own sexism.

If you need further proof of how damaging it is, there are many examples. The girl guides, for instance, an organisation set up to support girls, in a sexist world, found themselves throwing out masculine girls and welcoming feminine boys.

Butch lesbians are being told they can't possibly be girls, they must be boys.

Transwomen like Paris lees claim there's nothing better, when identifying as a woman, than being treated like a piece of meat.

Shon Fae's advice to youngsters is suck dick, get tits early.

The perpetuation of sexism, as being an inherent characteristic is utterly damaging.

No woman anywhere should be advocating for it. And you're actually on here, a feminist board, telling feminists that not doing so is unkind to men.

Ffs. 'Deadnaming'. We know why Isa or Annie wanted to rid the name now. 'DEADNAAMING' is another one of those infantile terms that we were all supposed to fall in to line with.

Two years after my FIL's death my MIL was still receiving bills with his name on despite being notified at the time of his death. Did she demand £5000 compensation? NO, she was upset at times but dealt either it like an adult.

CandlelightGlow

Over the years there has been much discussion on this board about the use of preferred pronouns so for those of us who have arrived at 'no' it has been a journey and is a considered opinion. This article explains the danger of preferred pronouns:

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · Today 00:46

That sounds truly shit.

Thanks for the flowers! Yes, it was a real PITA and that's just the stuff which came to mind easily.

That sounds truly shit. 💐

Dealing with Home Office bureaucracy is positively tortuous, I had hoped it was better now due to technology (we had to do the ‘queue outside the Croydon building from 4am’ thing several times) but if anything it seems worse!

I don’t even know what thread to post on anymore but did we miss this article?

Contains audio of the post-charge pre-conviction Bryson slagging Nicola Sturgeon off!

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10132920/trans-double-rapist-isla-bryson-criticised-nicola-sturgeon/

I signed some days ago.

I saw people are still awake on this thread and wondered if you all had seen this
petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ means biological sex.

It needs 100,000 signatures for the government to consider a debate.
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

TheClogLady · Yesterday 19:51

Anyone who thinks getting a GRC is hard should have a go at bringing a foreign born partner to settle in the UK via the Fiancé/Spouse Visa > Indefinite Leave to Remain > Citizenship route

And not to mention that it costs thousands more than a fiver. Or that the authorities, against their own government guidelines, refused to accept my wife's language qualification, as she'd done a paper test, just before they went digital.

And language schools wouldn't accept her recently expired home country passport, despite Home Office legal advice and two letters from our MP, with Government headed paperwork.

He had to get her special permission to get a biometric ID, which she wasn't really entitled to, as bank cards, UK driving licence, college pass certificates, marriage certificate etc etc etc weren't enough proof of her identity.

I also don't think politicians up here have quite understood just how pissed off women in Scotland are. This article puts it beautifully - 4w.pub/a-message-to-those-recently-opining/

This quote is circulating various platforms at the moment

This is exactly it.

Also, got myself a brand new user name to honour this wondrous day!