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Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott

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Signalbox · 28/01/2023 11:30

Wtf is going on? Another violent man being moved to a women's prison in Scotland. A man so violent they can't even take him to court and NHS staff refuse to treat him.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-trans-prisoner-storm-looms-29069314

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Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:50

AutumnCrow · 28/01/2023 22:36

SEALIONING

I'm afraid I don't know what this is?

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:48

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 22:23

@Idwtlotpam

You should be ashamed of placing the feelings of a violent male predator above the needs of vulnerable women and girls. On a site / space for women.

I'm a woman, am I not entitled to be here and voice my opinion just like all of you?

I care about everyone's human rights, not just those of biological females.

FactsAreNotMean · 28/01/2023 22:47

It's a while since we've been told to educate ourselves. Even though we collectively have facts and statistics and knowledge coming out of our ears there's always someone along to tell us we just don't know enough. Patronising claptrap.

When will they understand that we know far too damn much and that's why we consider this to be incredibly dangerous?

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:46

mrshoho · 28/01/2023 22:29

You lost me at your first point, but I'll ask you, Would you be happy sharing your personal space with him?

Why should I have any reason to think that this person is any greater of a risk than any other woman in a prison, aside from transphobia/misandry?

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:43

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 22:21

@Idwtlotpam

1/ data doesn't support that. Rates of Male pattern violence does not diminish with transition either.

2/ take a look at the image below. Really?

3/ that's not the responsibility of the women in the women's prisons. Why do women always have to pick up the pieces? Sort it out in the male estate ta.

4/ yes, work closely with a lovely trans person. Who's been exceptionally honest with names etc for dbs and the online searches.

1, link for this data?
2, that's from 6 years ago. Do you know the person's current transition status?
3, interested to know where you think trans men should be housed?
4, are they a MTF OR FTM?

Thelnebriati · 28/01/2023 22:41

@Idwtlotpam There are no women in the female estate that are like Tiffany Scott. If you're claiming there are, you need to provide evidence. Who are they? Women so violent they cannot be handled by female prison guards, or treated by NHS staff?

There is another trans identified male called Barbie Kardashian who is as violent as Scott. Try to find two women like them.

Signalbox · 28/01/2023 22:41

AutumnCrow · 28/01/2023 22:36

SEALIONING

Yes. Best ignored.

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grannysbay · 28/01/2023 22:41

Man with issues? Not a woman's problem..... And please do not conflate sex with gender - it just proves you haven't read the post you are replying to

Amortentia · 28/01/2023 22:36

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  1. As far as I’m aware there are no women in Scotland with a life long restrictions order, only the most dangerous prisoners get these.
  2. this is the guy who used to insist on being called Lord Almighty. So, he used to identify as god, did we believe that? Why should he believed.
  3. I don’t think this guy feels any threat from anyone, he is the threat.
AutumnCrow · 28/01/2023 22:36

SEALIONING

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:33

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 22:21

  1. There are no equally violent biological female prisoners. Women’s prisons don’t even have the highest security level protocols that exist for men because they aren’t needed.
  2. Female is sex, not an identity. It’s a condition of the body, not the mind.
  3. That’s a problem for the male prison estate to resolve, not the female estate, because this violent offender is male (aka ‘a man’)

Yes.

It’s not hate to speak the truth

I’d rather be rude than a liar (and I will never be ashamed of prioritising women and girls over violent male offenders).

HTH.

1, please tell me where you've seen evidence that the acts of violence committed by this person haven't also been committed by any women currently in the Scottish prison system?

  1. Incorrect. Educate yourself on gender reassignment processes.
  2. See above.
FactsAreNotMean · 28/01/2023 22:33

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  1. Statistically there are far fewer; I'm struggling to find Scottish stats but a 2019 FOI showed only 19 "female" prisoners with restricted/category A status in England and Wales, and of course they may not have all been actually female. This is out of approximately 4000. The Scottish women's prison population is approximately 400, which suggests Scotland (if it were to have similar levels of violence) would have approximately 2 category A female prisoners. And there is actually provision for hyper violent women to be housed in the male estate if necessary because the female estate doesn't have the correct facilities - afaik this is unused.
  2. Irrelevant.
  3. So, we're supposed to be worried that the terrible mental health of this individual may be compromised by being subjected to the presence of violent males, so instead we should compromise the statistically terrible mental health of female prisonrs by subjecting them to the presence of violent males... and don't forget that an extremely high % (80% or thereabouts) of female prisons are past victims of abuse.

When it comes to the desires of violent males, my field of fucks is barren.

mrshoho · 28/01/2023 22:29

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You lost me at your first point, but I'll ask you, Would you be happy sharing your personal space with him?

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 22:23

@Idwtlotpam

You should be ashamed of placing the feelings of a violent male predator above the needs of vulnerable women and girls. On a site / space for women.

Signalbox · 28/01/2023 22:23

Crikey this chap was quite an early adopter (2017) of the kind of language favoured by many trans activists. Perhaps when he is released the SNP or Scottish Greens might find a place for him as a women's officer. He'd fit right in!

"Scott then called Sheriff Livingston a "fucking transphobe bastard" and a "cunt" as he jailed her for a further year on five charges of assault and one of criminal damage."

www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/15507716.shirtless-prisoner-hurls-abuse-at-sheriff-as-she-is-jailed/

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TopBitchoftheWitches · 28/01/2023 22:22

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Odfod.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 22:21

@Idwtlotpam

1/ data doesn't support that. Rates of Male pattern violence does not diminish with transition either.

2/ take a look at the image below. Really?

3/ that's not the responsibility of the women in the women's prisons. Why do women always have to pick up the pieces? Sort it out in the male estate ta.

4/ yes, work closely with a lovely trans person. Who's been exceptionally honest with names etc for dbs and the online searches.

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 22:21

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  1. There are no equally violent biological female prisoners. Women’s prisons don’t even have the highest security level protocols that exist for men because they aren’t needed.
  2. Female is sex, not an identity. It’s a condition of the body, not the mind.
  3. That’s a problem for the male prison estate to resolve, not the female estate, because this violent offender is male (aka ‘a man’)

Yes.

It’s not hate to speak the truth

I’d rather be rude than a liar (and I will never be ashamed of prioritising women and girls over violent male offenders).

HTH.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 22:17

LeCarre · 28/01/2023 20:00

This is currently the second most read news story on the BBC website

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64438457

I am however loving the photo they chose.

Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott
Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:16

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drhf · 28/01/2023 22:14

Is there any good reason why that BBC article omits the face-slashing incident from this inmate’s cv, when that surely helps readers to understand just what kind of violence this person has perpetrated?

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 22:09

’females are violent sex offenders too’

is such a stupid argument because

a) it’s so rare the TRAs have to go back as far as Rose West and Myra Hindley to find examples (and they both had male co offenders and neither seems to have been violent once incarcerated, as far as I can tell)

and

b) I’d much rather be locked in with Myra the multiple child murderer than 6ft 5 paedo Katie Dolatowski because I know which one I’m more likely to be able to fight off.

The female one.

Obvs.

Blister · 28/01/2023 21:57

Fuckwits going on about how there have always been sex offenders in women's prisons. Male and female sex offenders are not the same, you utter morons. It's the bloody sex you've been trying to ignore that's the pesky difference. And no not all of us have been waiting for headlines to say men shouldn't be in women's prisons. Argh.

Hoardasaurusterf · 28/01/2023 21:01

Hospitals in Edinburgh have refused to treat this person! He now comes to Glasgow for his frequent hospital visits. He’s as odious in the flesh as you would expect from the stories about him!

LeCarre · 28/01/2023 20:00

This is currently the second most read news story on the BBC website

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64438457