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What's the opposite of peaking

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yubgummy · 28/01/2023 10:06

I "peaked" a couple of years ago. It was wonderful in some ways to feel like I'd seen the light, that I was finally able to speak reality, etc. But it was also an emotional time - full of anger, despair, feeling lied to, losing friends, you all know the drill.

A close friend is now going through that and it made me realise that I've actually "gone back down the other side of the mountain". It's not that I've gone back to gender ideology, it's just that I've (re-)absorbed sexed reality back into my worldview and now I'm just calmly living my life. My friends know my views, I feel confident in my own perceptions of reality and don't feel a need to align them to anyone in particular. I just generally feel centred and grounded.

Anyone else go through something similar?

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nepeta · 31/01/2023 19:06

An interesting thread! Peaking, for me, was of a somewhat different type, beginning (more than a decade ago) with my understanding of feminist theory which clearly implies that the origin of women's subjugation is in sex, and that gender roles, rules and stereotypes have been ways of contributing to that subjugation.

So if 'woman' would suddenly be defined as something not based on being female, feminist work would pretty much lose the language and the data that is relevant for improving the lot of women in this world.

Someone smart on Twitter used the parable of cats and dogs:

Everyone understands those two groups, how their needs etc. might differ in veterinary medicine and so on. If we were suddenly told that the group 'dogs' now consists of all dogs except dachshunds but also includes Siamese cats, and the group 'cats' now consists of all cats except Siamese cats but also includes dachshunds, writing about dogs and cats in veterinary medicine or laws about keeping pets etc. would become impossibly complicated.

I couldn't see how any feminist would not see this, so I thought that the work feminism was doing would not be affected by trans rights (i.e., that no trans activist would demand, and no feminist would agree to, the erasure of the female sex from language and the deconstruction of the female body into various parts).

In a sense that belief in peaceful coexistence was the more academic #bekind approach, and there are still many, many feminists trying to straddle the paradox of being in a movement which is based on combating sex-based discrimination while prioritising male transitioners' goals, and while also prioritising the feelings of those women who choose to identify as something else.

My proper peaking happened when I realised that I had been completely wrong!

That was a truly dark time, Watching the events unfurl online made me feel as if I was watching a natural experiment in one of the ways women may have historically become second-class citizens, that complicated mix of different incentives and different types of obliviousness, the unconscious tilt towards taking male concerns more seriously, the willingness of many women not to have firm boundaries, the rise of the Karen trend, the desire to be 'good' etc. And this made me question to what extent women could ever retrieve any of the things we were rapidly losing.

So the after-peak era for me has been based on the radical acceptance that all this is taking place, even though it's not a progressive development, and to keep on arguing for more evidence-based and nuanced conversations and the importance of the rights of all people, not just some.

I have seen the term The Age Of Endarkenment used to refer to various political movements of the recent decades (Trumpianism, radical Islam, increased authoritarianism and political polarisation all over the world), and this phenomenon belongs to that group. Distancing myself in these ways has helped me.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 31/01/2023 13:35

Aposterhasnoname · 31/01/2023 13:28

Fifty quid says you didn’t go to mixed sex school.

The one and only time I used a pool with a mixed sex changing village a man lay on the floor on his back and then shuffled along until his head was under my cubicle partition.

#nothankyou

picklemewalnuts · 31/01/2023 13:30

You're looking for the consequence, or aftermath of Peaking, rather than its opposite.

It actually felt almost the opposite way around for me- like falling down a rabbit hole, flowed by the hard slog of climbing back out into the sunshine of tranquility.

We aren't all able to, if we have a responsibility or direct involvement that drags us constantly back into the depths.

There should be some storm metaphors, as well. Eye of the storm, maelstrom etc.

Aposterhasnoname · 31/01/2023 13:28

Youdoyoubabe · 28/01/2023 14:23

Just actually read the post. This is so confusing in what context is the peaking?

Also what is wrong with mixed sex toilets?

Fifty quid says you didn’t go to mixed sex school.

SidewaysOtter · 31/01/2023 13:22

Plateauing?

Circumferences · 31/01/2023 12:09

Some people describe coming to terms with exiting gender ideology like "peaking" but a better analogy might be simply "seeing the light".

So - you've seen the light. It was extremely bright at first, but now your eyes have adjusted and you're used to it. So you're feeling basically normal, but you'll never, ever forget.

yubgummy · 31/01/2023 07:35

mathanxiety · 30/01/2023 00:04

You've reclaimed normal.

I like this!

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Allytheapple · 30/01/2023 08:17

Yeah that can be a normal part of processing difficult realities. It isn’t that you don’t get it, it is that you completely get it but you have accepted how fucked up the world is and you can now tolerate the uncomfortableness of that reality. It is a great place to be. Radical acceptance is what therapists call it.

TheGreatATuin · 30/01/2023 08:14

I know exactly what you mean, OP. I'm similar. I reached peaking point years ago.
I think the peaking thing feels so substantial because what is happening is not only deeply disturbing and concerning, but you know that you will face dire societal ire for calling it out. You may be ostracised, lose your job, all for saying the obvious.
It comes as a deep shock.
But you absorb the shock over time, meet other women who have come to the same realisation,,and for me personally, see the enormous strides that we're making. That makes me feel much better in all of it.
The gender landscape is completely different now to what it was five years ago, both politically and culturally. I find that much easier to bear.

Cornelious2011 · 30/01/2023 01:06

I *think once you realise the sheer horror of what's happening, it can be a bit overwhelming and all-consuming for a while. It becomes your default topic of focus. It all gets a bit "And another thing..."

After a while, you accept that's the state of affairs, you do what you can to counter it. Dig when asked to, sign petitions and email MPs, got to protests but it ticks along more in the back of your mind than the front.

Is that what you mean, OP?

I couldn't sustain the emotional intensity of my early reactions to all of this. I was wrung out and stepped back for a bi*

^^
I've done all he petitions, did drip drip to dh and family. Shining light was dh sending me the recent male rapist in Scotland like it was new info. Hallelujah he has started to see the light

Sazzasez · 30/01/2023 00:58

Focused!

Not sure I’ve got there yet.

mathanxiety · 30/01/2023 00:04

You've reclaimed normal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/01/2023 23:13

It's easier in a sense now than it was 5 years ago because there are so many people speaking out and tackling various aspects of of the fightback. I feel more able now to take a break from it all when needed.

Agree with this.

TheClogLady · 29/01/2023 22:58

That sounds nice.

But my kid wants her breasts amputated as soon as she’s allowed to cash out her New Labour Child Trust Fund so nope, deffo not able to relax about it all yet.

Plus I have another child going starting secondary school next year and lots of friends with kids the same age so I’ve got a long slog of checking school PSHE resources and EDI training schemes ahead.

Feeling good about the smidgen of movement re: prisons and the fresh green shoots of free speech that have poked through the frosty ground this weekend tho!

KohlaParasaurus · 29/01/2023 22:48

I'd go for plateauing. An initial spike and a massive desire to find out everything about issues I hadn't realised even existed and to talk about it, but the rest of life has to go on, there are other social issues that demand mental energy, and I spend a lot of time at a placid baseline of, "Humans can't change sex, it's a hard no from me to males in women's spaces, and I'm not going to tell lies to keep friends." I think everyone I know is aware that that's how I roll. And then something will happen that peaks me again for a while.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/01/2023 21:08

Plateauing, maybe?

whistleblown · 29/01/2023 21:05

In the climate threat community there's an movement called Deep adaptation after an academic paper written by Jem bendal I think. It's about accepting we are all fucked as we are, and if there is a future it will be radically different and probably unrecognisable. They do a lot of stuff on grief and accepting what we face losing. Maybe look it up, it's been helpful for me when I feel despair.

yubgummy · 28/01/2023 17:00

I think maybe the word I'm looking for is grounding.

It's not that I don't care about this issue anymore. I just feel so much more confident and centred when I think about it. I sign petitions, write to my MP. I'm active in local politics and have some opportunities in my workplace to influence our DEI policy and I take these opportunities to practically push back against local instances of this. So in some sense I actually am more "active" than when I was overwhelmed and stressing about the latest Twitter blow-up etc.

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JKRfan · 28/01/2023 14:58

TBH as a coping mechanism, I have started 'joking' with my DH that we will be doolally in our care home in 20-30 years' time so it doesn't really matter whether we manage to undo the damage or not....I almost fear more for the children harmed than for women now.
But I suppose like sport, kids is the issue most likely to get the dangers seen. Society has been very slow to realise the implications though.
The best way to roll it back as well as the obvious legal clarifications would be to get 'gender identity ideology' out of schools. Thatcher's Section 28 was a step too far but Trans is not the same thing as gay rights.

lifeinthelastlane · 28/01/2023 14:52

If you lived in Scotland you wouldn't really have a choice to put it on the back burner.

DRS1970 · 28/01/2023 14:52

Peaks and troughs.

JKRfan · 28/01/2023 14:50

'accepting' what you an change and what you can't....

Theunamedcat · 28/01/2023 14:47

Dispiriting? Despairing?

JKRfan · 28/01/2023 14:45

Once you 'see' the full implications of this ideology, you cannot 'unsee' it. This is a good thing but it would be unhealthy for it to totally govern your life. I need to take breaks away from reading and posting.
I subscribe online to a newspaper which now covers these issues from a mainly gc point of view and so reading articles and comments is less frustrating than it used to be, even just 2 years ago.
I have stayed off Twitter but do dig for the legal actions. This has helped keep some inner calm, as in Scotland women have been called upon by the police for posts on twitter. That is so chilling.

Abhannmor · 28/01/2023 14:42

I associate peaks and troughs with waves. When this wave crashes and breaks against the rock of reality ...what delights will the next one bring?

We do what we can to stay sane of course . I left Reddit and often disable FB and Twitter for peace of mind.