Another politician reverse-ferreting on men in women's prisons. So many skid marks on the roads today! Be safe out there, folks.

They're dangerously close to maybe having to think about the idea of the notion of... some sort of criteria or definition of what 'trans' means, aren't they?

Not to worry, they'll head that off into the long grass as soon as they can. They did it with 'woman' (It's offensive to even ask what 'woman' means!! The question is WRONG, WRONG I SAY), it'll be even easier to do with 'but trans is so, so complex, no-one can ever really say what it means to any individual'....

The penny is finally dropping. They can't say they weren't warned.

They're tying themselves in knots now.

They've always said no man would falsely claim to be trans so self-ID is fine.
Trans women are women so can use female safe spaces.
But we didn't mean rapists because they might be falsely claiming to be trans...

Call me crazy but maybe she should have read the letter before signing it - or suggested a change to reflect what she says she meant at the time before signing it?

Reverse ferret all your like, we have the receipts and we didn't trust you then and we don't trust you now Jenny.

... But what do they think gender critical women were objecting to in terms of self-ID if not this?

This is not the first time this has happened either, why wasn't this about face expressed prior to this?

In my opinion there is no such thing as tru trans, obvs.

But there is certainly no such thing as to tru trans if you've just bent over backwards
to remove all the bloody criteria.

Interesting that the letter was also created in December 2015 https://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2015/12/07/green-party-backs-prisontransform-campaign/

It was around that time which Aimee Challenor knowingly employed David Challenor as his covenor… and it was around the time that David Challenor was charged with imprisoning/torturing/raping/filming a 13 year old girl in his attic, which Aimee Challenor also knew about.

Although I haven’t got the time to search for the exact times - here in this article, you can see that the victim was interviewed ‘towards the end of 2015’. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7085352/david-challenor-rapist-tortured-girl-whip-electrocuted-coventry/

What this suggests to me, is that the Challenors knew that David was going to be put away for a long time, so they started doing what they could to mess about with the prison system.

Let’s not forget that the Challenors also created the ‘terfblocker’ software that many people, including politicians and journalists signed up to, in order to silence gender critical voices on Twitter.

The link has barely any steps of removal between a fetishistic, sadistic child-rapist and the policies that have been rolled out.

But but but how do you know if they are true trans or just faking it?

Self ID and all that..right?

Me too. "We're not worried about real trans women, just the predatory men who would self-identify in order to gain access to vulnerable women." No, sorry, there are loads of men who genuinely believe they are/are desperate to be women and a lot of them are still scary fuckers with some really violent sexual predilections and a refusal to accept boundaries. It's all there on the Internet, in their own words, for everyone to see.

Christ

I don't accept any of the reverse ferrets we are seeing. All these things about safety of women, impact on crime stats, impact on safeguarding etc were all said at the time. The response at the time from those championing self-ID went:

BIGOT
EDUCATE YOURSELF
DOXX
REPORT YOU TO YOUR EMPLOYER
BE KIND
ACCEPTANCE WITHOUT EXCEPTION

I remember it well and we all have the evidence of all of this. So no I don't accept any of these sudden and conveniently timed epiphanies. And I never will.

I am also exhausted by the 'true trans' discussion.

There cannot be 'true trans' if there is no way to define it past 'who ever feels they are'.

The more they push, the harder people's resolutions solidify.

These people make me feel sick! I’m
so fed up of them and the likes of Mermaids etc being able to backtrack with no apology or acknowledgment that they may just have got it wrong and may just have been shouting TRANSPHOBE and TEFT at women who were politely pointing out these fuck ups!!

Excuse the rant!

And how many men have claimed that the entire process of transitioning is so traumatic it's the reason they lost it and committed the crime in the first place!

Fortunately, the answer to the good question is very easy. They're all pretending. The degrees of effort don't really matter once you stop lying to yourself.

Exactly.

Do they genuinely believe that because somebody has a mental health issue they can't be a criminal?

They have been fed so much bullshit, they're choking on it.

And then decide to remove any and all criteria that might indicate someone really is true trans, in your already stupid opinion.

These people have as much intelligence, sanity and integrity as any male who falsely self IDs and that is zero.

I’m also sick of this ’True trans’ bullshit. There is nothing stopping a male who has genuine feelings gender dysphoria from being a misogynist, a rapist, an abuser, a paedophile, having AGP or offending, behaving or thinking like any other male.

It's complicated when you rule out 'making men sad' from your potential options.

I'm not accepting even that. But making that compulsory would shut up a lot of them who are very attached to that bit of them. Which is nearly all of them percentage wise.

Dear god.

Fucking hilarious.

Hmm, good question, I'd never thought of it that way before 🤔

This.

Gonna have to be bottom surgery sorry boys