Another politician reverse-ferreting on men in women's prisons. So many skid marks on the roads today! Be safe out there, folks.

Let's not forget how Scotland's prison service came up with a policy that was so generous at allowing trans-identifying male prisoners to be housed in the women's estate.

Yes. It is weird that the 17 December comes up twice as well

November 5th 2016 David Challenor is charged

I'm not sure if AC sent an email. I thought an email came in to the Greens from outside. But you have to read and re-read all the different bits of info and try to figure it out. It's not really clear

Thanks for this. I have been having a read.

Unless mistakes were made in the recollections or transcriptions, the timeline is this:

2014 - Aimee Challenor joins the Green Party
December 17th 2014 Aimee Challenor emails a friend informally saying that David Challenor is facing many serious allegations of sexual abuse. Nothing is done.
’late’ in 2015 the police interview the victim.
December 7th 2015 Aimee Challenor pens the letter about prisons that all the gullible desperados and mugs in the Green Party sign.
December 17th 2015 - the exact anniversary of the email Aimee Challenor sent regarding the allegations against him, David Challenor joins the Green Party.

Wtf.
The more I read the worse it all gets

Maybe the test is to bind their hands behind their back and toss them in the water?
If you sink you are a woman and if you float you are…

Hold on. That was the test to check who were witches.

How do these people know how to even hold a fork?

There are two reports that have other dates but not sure if they mean anything.

www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/westminster.html - page 143 talks about an email and has a sort of timeline. There are links to the email that was eventually found.

"On 17 December 2014, the Green Party received an email containing allegations of child sexual abuse against a Green Party candidate for the House of Commons".

www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/images/national-site/Final%20report%20-%20Executive%20summary-%20cover.pdf p9

"Aimee Challenor joined the Green Party on 11 December 2014"

"David Challenor joined the Green Party on 17 December 2015. Over the subsequent two and a half years, he gradually became more active in the party. As a party member, the first person who had a responsibility for drawing the charges to the Green Party’s attention was David Challenor himself. We found no evidence that he did so. He should have done."

I am finding myself angrier and angrier. They were told over and over and over. A child could see the flaws in this ideology. They knew then it was abuse of women and they didn't care. I don't believe they care now, they just can't get away with it in this case.

My main hope is that Labour will see what way the wind blows and stop being so spineless. But I can never forget that they threw vulnerable women to the wolves out of political expediency.

’I didn’t care about women prisoners but now the public are interested I’ve had a little think and maybe I do care a bit’

despicable

OMFG no wonder the Challinors wanted changes to prisons.

How any woman can have NOT considered the impact on women being incarcerated with men against their will is beyond me. Not acceptable for males with special feelings to be raped so women can take the hit. Vile.

All of them. They've all spouted that crap at some point

bastards.

But I don't think this is a 'turning point' or a line in the sand or anything. People on here have been saying this, that or the other will be a turning point for years and years. There were so many things where I thought to myself, "Well, surely the tide will turn now. This is so egregious. It's utterly indefensible. Now they will be forced to confront the issue and admit their mistakes." I am still kind of in disbelief that Yaniv didn't single-handedly tank the whole ideology. And remember Karen White? Politicians pandering to this ideology already allowed a male sex offender to sexually assault female prisoners. Didn't just risk it, that actually happened. The public found out about that over 4 years ago.

But somehow leading politicians are still stuck in TWAW mode.

Not to say that an awful lot hasn't been achieved and I know there are lots of things that have been slowed or thwarted. I do believe the tide will eventually turn, but I honestly dread to think how horrific it will have to get before our culture snaps out of this.

Having said that, I remember when Meghan Murphy was banned from Twitter for calling Yaniv a man and I genuinely don't think that would happen today, so I do believe the shackles on free speech are loosening. Even Mumsnet has become rather more lenient.

I'm just having a moment to imagine the politicians in all the countries that have snuck this into their legislation and suppressed the press are suddenly thinking the UK has foiled the long con and I hope they are also thinking

"Oh shit we are fucked"

Sport not short

It's the fact that again just like the short issue they could see the stupidity, even the stupidest of men realise you don't reward a double rapist with access to trapped women.

Which brings us back to w ell how do you tell the difference? Hmmm how about instead of believing them we go back to having to go in front of medical people and actually be diagnosed with something!

I mean I personally have a different opinion but th e above would work for now!

One of the responses

I struggle with how it's possible to be this dim. To use a quote attributed to Einstein: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

This is what it's got to be, but currently (and this is what annoys me) the term "transitioned" now seems to mean put on a wig and pink coat.

The definition should be "transsexual", which is someone having a medical diagnosis of gender dysmorphia which then allows for cross-sex hormones and full sex change surgery.

The current proposals are for the removal of gender dysmorphia diagnosis and self-ID after three months of cross-dressing.

Liar liar. Your bums on fire!

I mean if we are going to reduce ourselves to child like I didn't do it, I didn't mean to whilst the remains of the chocolate bar are still round their mouths I'm afraid that im sending this one to bed early with no supper.

Adding to that, words like ‘shame’ and ‘humiliation’ are a big turn-on for fellas who enjoy the belief they debase themselves by being ‘feminised’.

there are loads of men who genuinely believe they are/are desperate to be women

Are there? We can't possibly know what someone else really believes. It's possible that they're all lying.

Who else was spouting the, obviously ludicrous, claim that 'but no male would ever put himself through the gruelling process of transition (which I can't set out what that process actually is) or even bring himself to say the very words 'I am a woman' unless he was truly a vulnerable trans person, because of the immense SHAME that would cause for a non-trans man!' ?

It’s the No True Scotsman Fallacy…

No true transwoman could be a sexual predator; therefore a sexual predator is not a true transwoman…