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Evan Davis

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senua · 26/01/2023 17:58

Evan Davis has just finished the PM programme. We had articles on the effect of Instagram on the restaurant trade, on Chat gpt and on wearing shorts in the winter.
Guess how long the article on Isla Bryson / Adam Graham ran for ...

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nauticant · 06/02/2023 17:46

Evan Davis said: "we did trip up last week". And that was that.

nauticant · 06/02/2023 17:45

Here we go, Evan Davis does another trans segment on PM on Radio 4, this time on "detransition". Although I think the report might actually be about desistence.

ValancyRedfern · 06/02/2023 17:45

Hoping (possibly in vain) the detransitioner interview tonight will provide some alternative views

senua · 06/02/2023 17:11

The man is gender ID obsessed. Apparently we are due another article today, about de-transition.

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nauticant · 06/02/2023 17:11

This is a difficult and contentious area which we do try very hard to cover fairly and well on the BBC. However we should have challenged Stacey Henley more directly on her claims and apologise that we did not.

This is wrong. If they feel they made a mistake and need to apologise, this should be to their whole audience rather than confining it only to those who have gone out of their way to complain. They clearly feel they're in a corner and have to apologise but are doing it in a way which limits and minimises the apology. You don't do that if you're being sincere and are wanting to make amends.

borntobequiet · 06/02/2023 17:00

And mine. Mealy mouthed tosh.
I’m going to complain about it.

faffadoodledo · 06/02/2023 16:29

Bingo! Same as my reply!

AmigoDogs · 06/02/2023 15:59

My email from the BBC:

"Thank you for getting in touch with us regarding the interview with Stacey Henley concerning J.K Rowling and a new Harry Potter game, broadcast on PM on Thursday 2nd February.

We do accept that there wasn’t sufficient challenge to the claims that were made and that we fell short here.

Clearly J.K Rowling has been at the centre of a lot of controversy for her views, and that has led some to call for the new game Harry Potter Legacy to be boycotted. We wanted to explore that debate among fans and it was not meant to be an examination of J.K Rowling’s position per se. Evan Davis has since tweeted that he should have made it clearer that Stacey Henley’s view of J.K Rowling is her own premise for boycotting the game and is heavily contested - ‘I think perhaps we got stuck because we were actually trying hard not to debate J.K Rowling or the substance of her views. We hadn’t intended or cast it that way.’ He did challenge the characterisation of her views being put forward by Stacey Henley, but we do agree this should have happened at an earlier stage during the discussion and could have been done more thoroughly.

This is a difficult and contentious area which we do try very hard to cover fairly and well on the BBC. However we should have challenged Stacey Henley more directly on her claims and apologise that we did not.

We do value your feedback about this. Senior members of the PM team have been made aware of your comments and we’ve included your points in our overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback at the BBC, and helps inform future editorial judgements."

It doesn't actually answer the point I raised as I didn't mention Stacey at all - my complaint was about Evan's bias and blatant misogyny - so I imagine everyone got the same cut and paste job.

tinkerella1 · 06/02/2023 14:23

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crispinglovershighkick · 06/02/2023 13:02

risefromyourgrave · 28/01/2023 05:31

Slightly off topic, but Evan Davis makes Dragon”s Den so frustrating to watch with his constant bloody mansplaining. Deborah Meaden will say something like ‘It’s not environmentally sound enough for me, so for that reason I’m out’ and then up pipes ED “the products lack of environmental credentials has put Deborah Meaden off investing’. I bloody know! I literally just watched her say that!

Well before he became so obviously disappointing on women's issues and single sex spaces I already was a bit cross with him about interrupting women he was interviewing. I haven't done a scientific study or quantified interruptions of men vs women, just sensed a mansplainy manner with female interviewees.

crispinglovershighkick · 06/02/2023 12:54

ILikeDungs · 27/01/2023 00:18

Missing Eddie Mair on PM. He'd have gone up one side and down the other of this issue.

Ugh me too. Come back Eddie!

ScrollingLeaves · 06/02/2023 12:40

ILikeDungs · Today 12:17
ED bias mentioned in this Sunday Times view
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8312c010-a4c4-11ed-9d5c-69bd3c5b98b3?shareToken=98695ac2111619f906a0997cf79ae109

Thank you for posting that. What clear article.

ExiledElsie · 06/02/2023 12:22

I have sent my complaint to the bbc and asked where the apology is as part of it.

ILikeDungs · 06/02/2023 12:17

ED bias mentioned in this Sunday Times view

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8312c010-a4c4-11ed-9d5c-69bd3c5b98b3?shareToken=98695ac2111619f906a0997cf79ae109

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 11:14

Please sign and share this re: the Equality Act which needs updating to make clear the word ‘sex ‘ in the act is biological so exemptions in the act can be implemented to protect single sex spaces.

Everything is too muddied at present.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 11:10

Thank you Senua.
A better clearer apology needs to be put in a more widely distributed newspaper and on the radio.

senua · 04/02/2023 11:05

Not sure where the apology is but here is an article from the Scottish Daily Express which says "A BBC spokeswoman told the Scottish Daily Express: "This is a difficult and contentious area which we do try very hard to cover fairly and well on the BBC. However we should have challenged the claims more directly and we apologise that we did not.” "
Note the politician's weasel-words where they say that they try to "cover fairly and well on the BBC"; no mention of PM specifically, of their partiality.

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ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 10:32

PaleBlueMoonlight · Today 06:50
*Where is the apology?

I was wondering too. Please would someone link the actual place where it can be found? Sorry if I have missed it.

AlliwantforChristmasisgu · 04/02/2023 07:45

I too remember an interview on R4, and I think it was with ED, when he expressed horror ‘are you really saying that [I can’t remember exactly but it might have been something like ‘people can’t change sex’]. I think it was to a politician, who played it back very calmly and said it is ridiculous that a scientific fact is made out to be the ludicrous choice.

All paraphrasing, but the general tone stuck in my mind.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 04/02/2023 06:50

Where is the apology?

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 04/02/2023 06:47

I see BBC have issued a non apology. Evan Davies ramming trans ideology down everyone’s ears whilst slandering a women deserves more than that. How much airtime does BBC give to this agenda??? More than 0.05% I imagine, totally pushing this agenda until mentally unwell girls cut their breasts off and mentally unwell boys become women haters and harassers.

ILikeDungs · 03/02/2023 23:36

No l may be misremembering, l think it may have been that he was aghast that someone said "sex is real". Whatever, still dangerous nonsense spoken as fact on national radio.

ILikeDungs · 03/02/2023 22:08

Thank you Zeugma and Clapham, will have a look.

I can remember an interview where Davis was faking (l hope) being utterly shocked and astonished not to mention horrified that anyone would say there were only two sexes. I bet he went home and chortled over that one that night.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 03/02/2023 15:11

A friend of mine, who I shall shortly be copying, nominated Sharron D for the leader women in sport thing and put 'because it will annoy Evan Davies' in the 'please give a reason' box.
Grin Grin

ClaphamSouth · 03/02/2023 15:01

Zeugma · 03/02/2023 11:58

Sorry, just interpolating to say to @ILikeDungs that my blood pressure also boiled over when I heard that interview…just wondering if you read the extremely good annihilation review of the book by Sarah Ditum? It was in the Times and findable on archive sites I expect.

There were also some cracking Twitter threads on the subject from the excellent lawyer Barbara Rich, which you can still turn up with a search. The truth of the matter became apparent very quickly once you got the facts straight.

Book review: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b4615938-374c-11ec-b83a-bd8490b9f48d?shareToken=c25d52ae34977073891b21ba3ddcb417