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Anybody considering home schooling because of all of this gender fuckery?

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YourVagesty · 26/01/2023 14:24

Disclaimer before we get into it: I am, and always will be an ally to the lesbian and gay communities.

Right, that out of the way... I've got two nieces and a stepdaughter who all think they are trans. Frankly, I'm fed up of every conversation with them leading back to whether they are a demiboy or queer etc. It's relentless. I've told them to forget labels and focus on what makes them a good or inspiring person, and to just fall in love with whoever they fall in love with - when they are old enough obviously. Whatever, I don't care.

I'm over the culty obsession with all of it and if it was any other trend, I'd be unconcerned (teen fads come and go). But obviously, with this one, they are at risk of ending up sterilised or in chronic pain if they get too sucked into it.

As much as I'd hope that this will all pass, part of me thinks this new scientific-unreality is here to stay and frankly, I don't want my toddler to enter a school system that promotes the idea that you can choose to be male or female. I don't need him having anxieties over whether playing with girl toys makes him a girl etc.

I don't want him coached into thinking about things that I find as unbelievable as the existence of Jesus Christ.

I want him to learn life skills and make friends basically. So my mind is ticking over the idea of home schooling and I wondered whether others are feeling this way?

I guess if there are enough parents that feel this way in some geographical areas, that they could start their own mini schools?

Obviously, as he gets older, I'll be careful with his Internet use too because I know the Internet shoulders much of the blame for the social contagion aspect.

If there are any teachers reading, what's your perspective on this? What is happening in the schools from your point of view? I'm from an academic background and I know the universities have gone all in on all of this. Meh.

Sorry for the long post!

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purplepencilcase · 27/01/2023 20:30

Kam610 · 26/01/2023 14:56

It's all an absolute joke. I kid you not, in one of the local schools nearby, there are THREE teens who identify as.... CATS. Seriously what is going on?? They have been protesting to get litter trays in the school bathroom, by defecating on the floor. It's disgusting. I don't understand how their parents are letting them away with it. I also don't understand why they are at school in the first place. If they truly want to identify as an animal, they don't need to be at school. My children aren't school age yet, but I am seriously considering home schooling if this carries on the way it is. I don't want my children subjected to any of this utter nonsense.

What the hell?????

purplepencilcase · 27/01/2023 20:29

Do you think this nonsense will pass? I gave about 5 years until mine are at high school. They'll be so confused!🤯

BeverlyHa · 27/01/2023 20:20

Academic background, hm ......the whole tone of the post sounds like a horsewoman

Fieldfly · 27/01/2023 20:19

Bookworm- cats maybe, but a girl at my dcs school says she is a fox. I’m not even joking.
DC thinks it’s ridiculous, we’ve had a funny conversation imagining the poor child going through bins, getting chased by dogs etc. DC isn’t sure what the girl actually does to be a fox, no whiskers or tail apparently. Again, for the benefit of doubt, this is in a UK school.

BeverlyHa · 27/01/2023 20:17

wow, what a mouthful. You do not believe Jesus existed but are against the trans agenda.

R4nd0mNumb3r5 · 27/01/2023 20:15

Kam610 · 27/01/2023 19:11

www.facebook.com/146600518741160/posts/pfbid0X3KWEyGcSH4gBQeCZ1zzJavES7DLHBqkwQsdFauBDj8WTkoSQS8csyYx66kKKsADl/

This article also states that it's false rumours but many local parents have said that their children say it's all true. The school are just denying it. There is a picture and video circulating of one of them , and it is definitely in the same town, not just a random picture that someone found online. They look terrifying.

I can’t read that because it requires a Facebook login.

So where you say “It’s true unfortunately. The newspapers reported on it yesterday.” The newspapers are reporting that it is not true, but people on Facebook are saying otherwise?

Kam610 · 27/01/2023 19:11

R4nd0mNumb3r5 · 27/01/2023 18:23

@Kam610

Could you link to the article please? The only one I can find is debunking it as a conspiracy theory.

www.facebook.com/146600518741160/posts/pfbid0X3KWEyGcSH4gBQeCZ1zzJavES7DLHBqkwQsdFauBDj8WTkoSQS8csyYx66kKKsADl/

This article also states that it's false rumours but many local parents have said that their children say it's all true. The school are just denying it. There is a picture and video circulating of one of them , and it is definitely in the same town, not just a random picture that someone found online. They look terrifying.

bookworm14 · 27/01/2023 19:10

The ‘kids identifying as cats’ thing is an urban legend originating in the US. Anyone claiming it’s happening at their school is a bullshit merchant.

CrimsonPostBox · 27/01/2023 19:04

"Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure[note 1][note 2][4][5][6][7] and dismiss denials of his existence as a fringe theory, while many details like his alleged miracles are subject to debate.[8][9][10][11]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#:~:text=Historical%20existence,-The%20Resurrection%20of&text=Virtually%20all%20scholars%20of%20antiquity%20agree%20that%20a%20historical%20human%20Jesus%20existed.

CrimsonPostBox · 27/01/2023 18:57

No serious, intelligent person thinks that Jesus didn't exist. Not believing his deity is one thing, but it's a historically accepted fact that he existed.

Sorry but had to clear that up.

WarriorN · 27/01/2023 18:54

It's not really possible to homeschool if you're a teacher though so none of us do Grin

WarriorN · 27/01/2023 18:53

I'm a teacher and I feel I know my area well and the schools my kids go to so am not worried. The whole thing is a bit late to hit up here compared to other areas. At the moment. I know of some issues in a neighbouring LA.

I'm aware it may not last but I also feel it's less of an issue for my boys than if I had girls.

I've also spent a lot of time grounding them in nature and biology, busting sexism and gender stereotypes (though they're both pretty conforming.)

Very much delaying phones and social media as long as I possibly can. They don't have Internet access beyond cbbc/ iPlayer. No robolox etc, mine craft closed is ok. I took YouTube kids away mainly as I hate the format but also my eldest's behaviour was effected (as was a friend's child of the same age.) he watches much better things via iPlayer, including lots of nature documentaries.

Sarahcoggles · 27/01/2023 18:36

YourVagesty · 26/01/2023 16:14

@Sarahcoggles

I get your perspective but if they're not in school, they might still be aware of it but they won't be exposed to the peer pressure.

I don't think awareness itself is that threatening. Not in the context of a compassionate and informative home education.

The damaging thing is authority figures (teachers) espousing these views as though they are fact, and social contagion.

This is a very strange perspective. Are you aware, OP, that even when your child is at school, you will still see him and speak to him? You will be his primary influence. My kids went to the village primary - C of E - lots of religious assemblies and church visits but they still came out as atheists. They then went to the local state comp for secondary school, where there are a few trans people I believe, but literally no peer pressure to be trans. And the teachers never discuss it as far as I can gather.

I think you're catastrophising.

R4nd0mNumb3r5 · 27/01/2023 18:23

Kam610 · 27/01/2023 14:24

It's true unfortunately. The newspapers reported on it yesterday. The school and the council are supposedly denying that there are "cats" at the school, even though numerous pupils have confirmed it's true, but they did admit that their staff have had to clean up faeces.

@Kam610

Could you link to the article please? The only one I can find is debunking it as a conspiracy theory.

Darhon · 27/01/2023 18:15

YourVagesty · 26/01/2023 14:24

Disclaimer before we get into it: I am, and always will be an ally to the lesbian and gay communities.

Right, that out of the way... I've got two nieces and a stepdaughter who all think they are trans. Frankly, I'm fed up of every conversation with them leading back to whether they are a demiboy or queer etc. It's relentless. I've told them to forget labels and focus on what makes them a good or inspiring person, and to just fall in love with whoever they fall in love with - when they are old enough obviously. Whatever, I don't care.

I'm over the culty obsession with all of it and if it was any other trend, I'd be unconcerned (teen fads come and go). But obviously, with this one, they are at risk of ending up sterilised or in chronic pain if they get too sucked into it.

As much as I'd hope that this will all pass, part of me thinks this new scientific-unreality is here to stay and frankly, I don't want my toddler to enter a school system that promotes the idea that you can choose to be male or female. I don't need him having anxieties over whether playing with girl toys makes him a girl etc.

I don't want him coached into thinking about things that I find as unbelievable as the existence of Jesus Christ.

I want him to learn life skills and make friends basically. So my mind is ticking over the idea of home schooling and I wondered whether others are feeling this way?

I guess if there are enough parents that feel this way in some geographical areas, that they could start their own mini schools?

Obviously, as he gets older, I'll be careful with his Internet use too because I know the Internet shoulders much of the blame for the social contagion aspect.

If there are any teachers reading, what's your perspective on this? What is happening in the schools from your point of view? I'm from an academic background and I know the universities have gone all in on all of this. Meh.

Sorry for the long post!

You’re trying to assert a level of control that would be worrying to be honest. You can’t cut kids off from social discourse and if you home school properly, he will still be socialising and my gut is with a high proportion of children from families who are less mainstream and maybe more into this sort of thing. Also, teens says all sorts of things, it doesn’t mean that is what they will believe in 5-10 years. Sorry, I think you are overthinking it.

RaininginDarling · 27/01/2023 18:09

Well indeed @Gcfemale - the thing I find most troubling is the dereliction of duty by the adults who don't seem to be able to understand child development or imaginative play - sooo eager are they to show how incredibly broad minded they are.

YourVagesty · 27/01/2023 15:39

"And currently if you run over a cat you don't have to report it to the police"

😂

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Gcfemale · 27/01/2023 14:42

@RaininginDarling I wonder how the school can take the side of people who deem themselves to be non domesticated animals, afaik, schools don't enrol animals so said animals should have zero involvement in any decision making for anything. As cats are they allowed to crap anywhere too? And currently if you run over a cat you don't have to report it to the police, how would they/their parents feel about that? It's total BS - and such a first world problem, I bet if they were plonked in the middle of a third world country they would soon have more important stuff to occupy them.

SpentDandelion · 27/01/2023 14:40

Home educated children are far from deprived, school is very limiting, imagine thinking the only way your child can get an education is between the four walls of a classroom?

Kam610 · 27/01/2023 14:24

Tabasco007 · 26/01/2023 22:39

They can't be, that has to be a wind up....

It's true unfortunately. The newspapers reported on it yesterday. The school and the council are supposedly denying that there are "cats" at the school, even though numerous pupils have confirmed it's true, but they did admit that their staff have had to clean up faeces.

Cantseethewindows · 26/01/2023 23:08

For me personally, I go along with requests to do with pronouns etc (you rarely use third person pronouns within earshot of the person you're referring to anyway) because there is no conceivable harm to women from that. I do find it confusing and irritating AF when my year 11s refer to individual pupils as they. It seems to be the new in thing, even if the pupil in question is not trans or anything. I do try not to roll my eyes too loudly though...

Itisbetter · 26/01/2023 23:07

You’ll meet exactly the same stuff being spouted in HE groups. I think school is easier.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/01/2023 23:07

We shouldn't have to take children out of schools because some of the adults in them are behaving unprofessionally. We need to challenge schools when they get dodgy organisations in or become Stonewall champions and create a hostile environment for girls and women. We need to speak out in numbers, not stay silent and insist that schools deal with what they have the skills and knowledge to deal with - & that doesn't include socially transitioning children.

MountainRinglet · 26/01/2023 23:03

Re the cat thing, that's been around for a while. My children say these kids are called the Furries at school, can be any animal apparently not just cats! Complete madness. We discuss these things at mealtimes and we all agree it's bonkers, my children laugh about it. They tell me the Furries are generally a slightly oddball group who are really just after a bit of attention. I don't think my children will be in any way affected going forward. There are some very strange people around, I think it's best to acknowledge that and get on with your own life.

YourVagesty · 26/01/2023 22:56

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