Anybody considering home schooling because of all of this gender fuckery?

I know that, as my clarification said - I was trying to explain that it was not the case that all young women who did not fit today’s stereotypical ideas of gender labelled themselves as non-binary or trans (or felt the need to).

My 14 son is benefitting from home tuition via various members of my family , who are highly numerate and qualified professionals in the sciences. I am multilingual so I coach my kids in that respect. But this is mainly due to the standard of education he receives at school.

There's genuine social issues in the world like people living on the breadline, racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia

Very amused that transphobia is in there as if it is some massive problem affecting society.😁

None of the inequalities in the world are helped by people trying to deny reality, or by endlessly labelling themselves. Identitarian politics is the most divisive, trivial nonsense that allows people to virtue-signal they're doing something (because they are aware of microaggressions or pronouns) while the real stuff that actually improves people's lives - primarily economic policies that would improve people's material lives - are ignored.

These educational policies contribute to societal divisions and, I would argue, make kids more anxious. What kids need is community, based in real life, and a sense of having a place in the world. Not online 'rainbow families' that are the ultimate echo chamber and serve a deeply sinister purpose - breaking up the family unit and alienating kids from their natural support system.

@Ameadowwalk - young people often used to be gender nonconforming yet not question their actual sex. It was happening years ago, so hardly new.

What is happening now is contrived femininity = femaleness and the same with males. Wearing lots of pink and glitter does not make anyone female, never has, never will.

I see young people going on about hating labels and the promptly slapping loads on to themselves. Now, why are they doing that?

Trans people exist.

Whole thing is based on sexist ideals though.

Can't teach children about trans without being very sexist. When we are really trying to un pick sexism and smash gender stereotypes. Because they're damaging for both sexes.

What was the effect of YouTube Kids if you don't mind me asking?

I'll come back to this later but I'd urge all to look at nationalonlinesafety.com/

They have good posters on key apps and games that give you the safety lowdown. Local schools use them.

For me a key red flag is anything that allows chat online.

Also need to consider that completely sheltering kids from online stuff means they either try to access secretly or don't learn online safety skills. It's a hard and fine balance but open dialogue and understanding boundaries is important. A local IT consultant who advises schools advocates for playing games with your kids, being interested and keeping dialogue open. Setting ground rules and getting monitoring apps.

We are in a 3 tier schooling area and kids seem to get phones earlier as they seem to walk to and from school at an earlier age. Peer pressure is hard. We've agreed in his group of mates that we will be getting round this by not buying them or with old fashioned non screen phones for a bit till they're older just for texting whereabouts.

@Labyrinth86 lots to unpick. Let’s start with ‘you're all there worrying about labels people assign themselves and how they dress. Honestly, what is the actual problem?’
The problem is that this ideology limits many of the freedoms women have fought for for hundreds of years. It reduces women to what someone dresses in, whether they wear make up, how much in ‘girl mode’ they are. It suggests that men’s bodies are the same as women’s bodies, apart from genitalia and breasts. It suggests that a male body wearing a woman’s sport kit, competing against a woman’s body is a fair contest. It doesn’t recognise the violence, comments and casual groping women put up with on a daily basis- it suggests we can simply identify out of it. The problem is that women in prison, already some of the most vulnerable people in our society (53% reporting sexual and physical violence in their past) will be housed with people who retain male hormones, penises and who have been incarcerated for violence against women. It’s happening now. It also means that a crime can be recorded as having been perpetrated by a woman, when really it is a trans woman- the figures are no longer accurate. It means when services for men and women are being planned there are no accurate figures- if you haven’t read ‘Invisible Women’ it’s a good start. It means when we are looking at say the amount of women as barristers, or judges, or any of the high ranking, powerful jobs where women have been underrepresented and often actively discouraged, we now cannot see where the women are. Women and some men have fought for greater female representation, the right laws to protect our experience of rape, health, DV, pregnancy, the workplace, safety on the streets etc and now we are being told that those rights extend to the men who choose to dress in a different way. And let me be clear, I fully encourage anyone to express themselves in the way they dress. In the 80s I crimped my brothers hair and painted his nails. I wore army boots and dungarees and snogged men with hair to their waists! I marched against Section 28 and wore a pink triangle in solidarity with all my gay housemates and spent the weekends in Heaven and GAY! Suggesting women of my generation apply labels is ridiculous. The self labelling and shoving of young people into boxes I see on TikTok is soul destroying.
Young women in schools have to deal with sexualised comments from boys, scrutiny of their bodies and the physical pain and management of periods, (especially at the start of menstruation). Young women emerge in a spotlight so different to that of young men; it is no wonder that so many, especially those with ASC and anxiety are drawn to the idea that they can opt out of womanhood. Girls with ASC are massively over represented in young people defining themselves as non binary. Those with severe social anxiety or just the ones not in the ‘popular’ cliques are too. LGBT+ clubs in schools are not full of boys in Year 11- being an openly gay young man is still very, very rare in most schools because sadly homophobia is still rife in our wider society. It’s even easier to say you’re trans as a boy! Being a confident, popular Year 11 girl is still virtually impossible without fitting into a strict set of social rules with the correct hair, nails, eyelashes, weight etc.

Far from breaking social rules and freeing young people up to be who they want to be, the trans agenda is forcing gay young people back into the closet and setting feminism back years and years. Vulnerable young girls are the ones questioning their identity, them and adult men with autogynephila and other kinks. Sadly, on the internet, these two groups collide and we now find ourselves in a world where ‘minor attracted’ (their term- not mine)men, many dressed in traditionally female clothing and wearing makeup feel confident enough to be open-twitter.com/norautd/status/1616952730211258368?s=46&t=LPVZDUu7KgwR_T7PGI0qLg
Of course trans people exist and their very specific issues should be respected and supported but not to the detriment of the rights of women, these are fragile and sporadic in this country and especially worldwide.

@Kam610 if this is real i would stop the cats going to school as cats don’t go to school , out in the back garden kitty

By saying my DD is still female, to be clear, I don’t think people can change sex, I was just trying to express that it is possible still for young people today to be gender non-conforming and not be pulled into questioning their gender/sex. Not sure if that makes sense.

I would agree that religious schools don't necessarily escape the contagion. It's not so much what schools are teaching but rather the external influences being brought in and schools are left to work through how they should and shouldn't be handling it. Yes many schools linked up with stonewall and/or bought in services to deliver PSHE and that is where you should do your research. Even without these influences though the identity ideology will be there. My daughter was at an all girls Christian school with a large number of girls identifying as non binary, trans and yes there was a girl identifying as a cat. My daughter who has autism was heavily influenced and we went through some difficult years but all along we never affirmed her nonbinary claims. She's 18 now and at a mixed sixth form and finding her way, growing in confidence. My 16 year old Son was at an all boys school and at no time while he was there did he hear of any boys identifying as nonbinary or trans.

I wouldn’t home school because I am a single parent and my children go/have been to an excellent school (my eldest DD is now at university) which offers a breadth of learning I could not offer. Having been to school in the 1980s when the insult of the day was ‘lesbian’, I was pleased to see that sexual identities were known and accepted. (I come to gender later in my post)

My DD is asexual and that was something I knew nothing about and had to learn. I don’t think that would have been something recognised when I was growing up. Actually her point is that this was not discussed in sex ed, the assumption was that everyone would want to have sex or be sexual. I have read threads on here which are vitriolic and dismissive of asexual people. So some more awareness and acceptance would be helpful. She is quite non-conforming gender-wise and confidently so, but still female (and feminist), by which I mean she has not - to my knowledge - questioned her gender identity. It is possible for young people to come through all of this with a strong sense of self.

None of this relates to gender identity or trans people but I suppose my point is that children and young people have to find their way in the world and the world looks different from how it did when we were growing up. I think the points above in this thread about doing due diligence and being engaged and knowing what schools are doing (and why) are important but generally, not just on one issue. Someone upthread said there are a lot of social, peer pressure issues to be aware of - not just gender identity - and for me it was always about listening, making sure my DC felt supported. I don’t think I can control how they engage with and see the world, just talk about it.

I also agree with the poster who says that home schooling has to be about more than one issue.

Labyrinth- I’ll bite.

1. people have different priorities, ‘‘twas ever thus.
2. people who adopt perceived stereotypes of the opposite sex clearly exist, no one is saying that they don’t or cares about what people wear. (Caveat: rainbow dildo monkey etc excepted).
3. I just don’t consent to any men feeling entitled to claim womanhood and gain access to the safe spaces that we fought so hard for.
4. I don’t feel comfortable sharing enclosed spaces with men I don’t know. What they are wearing is irrelevant.
5. Now that we know, thanks to the census, that men who pose as woman are more likely than other men to be sex offenders, I am more, not less, wary of men who say they are women. How can I tell what their motivation is? And why should I have to think about it?

I don’t talk about it much, dc have some knowledge from
school re gender pronouns etc, but I do reinforce you can’t change sex from early age.

Seems ok so far, as long as they know biological reality I’m ok.

Plus I’d never homeschool ;

I am just so very relieved my DC are in their 20's.

I won't lie and say I'm not concerned for my grandchildren when they come along.

The cat/fox thing had me quite floored.

Dd goes to a Catholic school in the hope that this rubbish isn't taught

Right, apologies for infiltrating but this is just an echo-chamber so here's a different view.

There's genuine social issues in the world like people living on the breadline, racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia but you're all there worrying about labels people assign themselves and how they dress. Honestly, what is the actual problem? And what do you want a school to do? Force a child to live a certain way, however miserable it makes them, just to keep you happy?

Whether you agree with it or not, or perceive it as "real" or not, transgender people exist just like gay people exist and non-trans people exist and straight people exist. If it's a case of not wanting your kids to be trans like it's a contagious school bug, i) they will come across similar ideas elsewhere (TV, film, music, extra-curricular activities, etc.) and ii) being so anti-trans in the hope your kids won't be trans is just the same as families who are anti-gay and hope their kids won't be gay. Some parents seem to think they can control who their kids become but people will be who they are and your kids are who they are and will be who they will be, regardless of how easy you make it for them. If your children turn out to be trans (and it's very unlikely), you may find that being so closed-minded on this issue causes problems between you and your children in the future, like the strained relationships between homophobic parents and gay children.

I'm cautiously optimistic I can guide my kids through it despite other influences. DD is 15, at state comp, and as GC as they come.

This is exactly what dh and I have decided. I mean, that fucking new Monsters High movie, the very trailer for it one of the characters introduces herself (and is a blatant she), "Clawdeen - Pronouns they/them". FUCK OFF.

They (our kids) have very limited access to anything, no online stuff at all. And they are happy, well-adjusted kids.

Nope. There's one child at my children's school identifying as a cat. A teacher friend who works there verified it.

What does that mean? Lots of us on here are horsewomen, what's wrong with us??

No, mine are in the senior phase in high school, but I’m very very glad their school years are coming to an end.