'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

They are like rats there's always one within a couple of feet of you.

What in the name of chuffing fuck is a (recently) convicted paedophile doing working in the prison service? And enabling trans into women's prisons?

If that isn't an ace to prove the complete moral bankruptcy of the whole gig, I don't know what is.

Looking forward to this:

Janice turner:

My Times column tomorrow is on policies which led to a Scottish double rapist being remanded to a women’s prison. I’ve used his original male name & pronouns throughout. Under UK laws, rape is penetration with a penis, ie a male crime.

Not calling a rapist “she” is my red line.

For newbies
Heres two very informative threads

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?page=23&reply=101057943

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?page=30&reply=123109522

Enjoy your trip.

That SPS Equality Impact Assessment is a shocker.

The form refers to gender not sex (so not the protected characteristic) and anyway the box isn't even ticked.

Which equality groups will be affected by the new or revised policy/practice?
= Age, gender identity, sexual orientation - ticked.
= Gender - not ticked.

The we have
Eliminate discrimination, harassment and victimisation?
= It will eliminate discrimination, harassment and victimisation- ticked.
= It will make discrimination, harassment and victimisation worse - not ticked.

Apprenently it's also going to foster good relations between people who share a protected characteristic and those who do not. How's that going Nicola?

@nilsmousehammer - you are right. The Scottish Government will face a judicial review on this. Because however sensible it is now move this man into a male prison, it means that other decisions not to do so, and the guidance are in question. Sturgeon's intervention also problematic.

A basket case government- full of stupid people who seem to think law is whatever you say it is on the day. The SNP leadership are idiotic. They are actually worse that their Westminster equivalents who at least know how to present a u turn.

Maybe time for a recruitment drive for trans officers?

@ GenderWang is a great follow on Twitter

Thank you. That made me snort with laughter.

That's fantastic! Isla can give them beauty tips! Well maybe not the murderers.

Well my main view is that your friend should stay the right side of the law and it won't be an issue.

Of course that's not what you are asking. Well your friend if they must break the law and end up in prison it should be the Male estate. We could say, effeminate men, gay men, fragile men should also use the female estate, but they dont. What's the difference?

Women are not default human shields, if my daughter was in prison at the same time, she should be allowed to have as much dignity as any other woman. We all know the Male gaze is or can be fucking awful and predatory and frightening.

Even if we are not at risk of rape , plenty of sexual assaults happen without the mighty penis.

When it's religious faith it can neither be proven nor disproven.

However the transgender faith can be disproven by the simple expedient of the biology.

Exactly. I'm an atheist but I have a lot more respect for religious believers compared to TRAs. Religious believers could conceivably be right - we can't know. But we do know that gender ideology is internally inconsistent and disproved by facts.

Hiding in plain sight.

All of them.

Tbf I was thinking babelfish and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.

Just in case my point is missed because my previous post was a tad too long! (Sorry!)

Today, I discovered that Gordon Pike, who was a senior official for the Scottish Prison Service (SPS) and responsible for the development of SPS’s Gender Identity and Gender Reassignment Policy (2014), was convicted for child pornography in 2018.

When it's religious faith it can neither be proven nor disproven.

However the transgender faith can be disproven by the simple expedient of the biology.

SCIENCE! What a transphobic bitch she is! I LOVE HER!!!

Faith actively denies proof.

Faith doesn't require verification. That's the point, isn't it?

@SuperShe

Wow, you've been busy, that's my evenings reading sorted!

I wonder why the trans Rights supporters never end up down these rabbit holes. Do they never verify bloody anything? Ever?

The amount of politicians, journalists and all-round fuckwits coming out with, 'Well, in this one extreme instance it isn't right to send this rapist to a women's prison' is infuriating

Their minds are going to be blown then over the next week as all the other cases appear in their Twitter feeds

😁

MBM deserve a bloody medal. They are brilliant.

I swear, this cesspit of a rabbit hole is never ending. It’s horrendous yet enlightening

Maybe that explains why Alice in Wonderland is my fave Disney movie. 😂

Was reading an excellent Twitter feed this morning by @mbmpolicy, which highlighted how the decision making process during the development of the SPS’s Gender Identity & Gender Reassignment Policy “failed entirely to consider the impact of its policy on female prisoners and staff, focusing only on the needs of transgender prisoners.”

Also, the Equality Impacts Assessment SPS conducted to ensure the new policy upheld the Equality Act, reveals no female prisoners, no prison staff and no woman’s rights groups were consulted during the policy making process. But the following groups were consulted:

• Trans people in prison and in the community
• SPS Mangers and Officers (including E& D Managers)
• Trade Union
• Government Agencies (including Scottish Government and English Prison Service)
• SPS Legal Branch
• Scottish Transgender Alliance
• Capability Scotland
• Stonewall Scotland

Then whilst on Twitter (again! 🙈) I saw a post saying a senior prison official convicted of child pornography was involved in the the SPS policy.

So of course being the She of Sleuthing that I am (love that and have never come across it before! courtesy of @ResisterRex 😊), I looked into the people involved in making their policy.
And lo and behold - Gordon Pike is one of the 8 people listed within the list Equality Impact Assessment.

Can this get any worse, I honestly don’t know.

Some links -

Tweets by @mbmpolicy that highlights the failings of the SPS when developing their gender identity policy:
twitter.com/mbmpolicy/status/1334134015914283009?s=46&t=xVx1S150XeNw9ZXQtMUqrg

The Equality Impacts Assessment undertaken by SPS: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/496110/response/1200987/attach/3/Annex%201%20EHRIA%20Gender%20Identity%20and%20Gender%20Reassignment%20Policy%20March%202014%20002.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

Conviction details of senior SPS official, Gordon Pike, convicted for child pornography, and also involved in the SPS Gender Identity Policy:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offender-gordon-pike-helped-set-prison-trans-rules-q8n3lnksv

*whose, not who's

If a group of women prisoners were able to get together (whether they'd been physically assaulted or not - they have still been abused and subjected to indecent assault if they've been forced to shower etc with men) needed to to crowdfund, I imagine the support would be HUGE!

And not just sue the govt, sue individuals who's support in parliament enabled this travesty. Idon't know if that's a legal possibility (when has this govt ever been worried about legality), but I'd love to see it!

During one of the big child safeguarding disasters that led to white papers and inquiries, a senior person in a local authority told me impatiently that this kind of thing happened all the time in all authorities and the general public were kept in happy ignorance of this. This particular case 'escaping into the press' as he put it, was regarded as a failure. Because now you had the general public kicking off, and all the papers getting in on the act, and questions asked in parliament, and pressure to Do Something, and accountability had to be created, and it was all one big mess when it wasn't a 'big deal'. Just very inconvenient.

It was quite a shock to hear the degree of cynicism.

But yes. This fuss about this one man is ridiculous, and I would think that his legal team are rubbing their hands with glee. Because they will be able to say there are all those male offenders, as bad and worse, all happily doing their thing in women's prisons and causing all the trouble KPSS keep account of. And their client has been removed not because of policy change, but because of politicians running scared from a public reaction.

And they will have a case.

They have treated this man unfairly, for the wrong reasons, while making a lot of confused statements about how the law they set up and supported (until it got really uncomfortable to face) is not ok, they don't support it (but are not planning to change it or take out those other men.)

This is why the noise and pressure has to continue. Particularly as I would wonder, with deep cynicism, whether this man has been quietly put in another women's estate, or promises made about in a few weeks when the fuss dies down. Because otherwise his legal team will rightfully have the Scots govt on toast.

Either it is fine for all male sex offenders who have invoked the power of Greyskull to be in women's prisons providing that 'double punishment' of women that was the reason for creating women only prisons 200 years ago, or it isn't fine, and none should be in the women's estate.