GC Feminists- what do you want to achieve?

What really pissed me off is this from another thread written by another Labour person:

While our society has for decades agreed to require women and girls to make limited accommodations in the public sphere for all those who are experiencing gender dysphoria, in order to facilitate an accessible public realm,

agreed to require women and girls to make limited accommodations - this is the problem, how dare they do this? No-one asked women whether they wanted to do this. Why weren't men asked to make accommodations for these males? We all know why - it is because this is what men want.

The GRA is an insulting, offensive Act that reduces women and girls to ridiculous sexist stereotypes, diminishes women, it's a fucking disgrace and has to go. It obfuscates between sex and gender and is an absolute dogs dinner. Why is someone changing the sex marker on ANY document when they are claiming to change gender? It's nonsense.

I will never forgive Labour for doing this, furthermore, it's a Male Rights Act it would never in a million years even merit consideration if it was females asking for these rights over men and the men made damn sure they protected their privileges when enacting it, see the exception for hereditary titles and estates. The whole Act was done for and on behalf of men and women were just expected to suck it up and submit.

The GRA needs to go. No-one should be able to falsify a Birth Certificate, a legal document that states FACTS and then hide it with a super secret piece of paper that can't be asked about.

If sex can be altered on a Birth Certificate why not Place of Birth? Why can't those who want to come to the UK and claim British Citizenship and a British Passport not just change their place of birth on the claim that they have always felt British?

Remove all references to gender or gender reassignment in the EqA, protections to be based on the characteristic of sex, birth sex only.

Single sex spaces and services to be mandatory, and to be just that SINGLE SEX, and sex to be the sex a person was born. A separate additional third option to be made available alongside where practicable and necessary.

People can dress as they please within already accepted limits and requirements, change their name to whatever they want, adults can make any body modifications they wish and not be discriminated against for doing so but their sex remains as the sex they are born and they access the spaces, services and facilities based on their sex, not their presentation or belief about themselves.

Oh yes, amendment of Cambridge dictionary definition of woman.
(Piers Morgan on a roll right now on Talk Tv).

Agree with others. I will now no longer compromise on any way shape or form. No males should have any access to female spaces. Provision should be made in law to force providers to provide single sex spaces. The GRA should be repealed.

IANAL but I think discriminating against someone because of sex stereotypes (e.g., because they don't adhere to them, or, because you assume that they will) is included in sex discrimination.

I’m going to guess that when that legislation was brought in it was assumed it would be a tiny handful of people that would be in need of it. Obviously now we are awash with trans identified individuals and Pandora’s box has exploded.

What I want is safeguarding of young people being a priority. I don’t think we should be giving prepubescent children the right to take life altering hormones. I just don’t think they have the capacity to know what they are agreeing to. Decisions I made at 14 are decisions I wish I hadn’t made thirty five years later. Some of my decisions still impact me now and I wonder why the bell my parents allowed it. I tmi k there’s going to be a shit ton of adults suing the NHS I’d the future and it’s going to cost us four times. Once for the original surgeries, once for the life long medication, once for the detransitional surgery and then finally got the compensation when they sue.

id also like there to be a third space in all women’s spaces. I know that is not what trans identified individuals want as the whole idea is to ‘pass’. But that’s what I’d like. Plus sports to have a third space too so only biological women compete against biological women.

*in sex discrimination

Why not just include that is sex discrimination?

The protected characteristic of 'gender reassignment' might usefully be reformulated to protect all people from discrimination due to the application of gender stereotypes.

Clear definition of sex and gender. Sex is observed and cannot be changed on official documents. All data is collected around sex eg voting, prison population. Single sex spaces, services and sport.

If individuals want to transition they can have their gender recorded. Personally I only feel sex is needed on my details as I don't believe in or have a gender but would not have a problem with my passport stating my sex and a default 'gender' matching my sex. Trans people can have their gender marker in the one they want which seems to be a massive number now.

It's important to me that the very start point here is that there are 2 sexes and you cannot change sex. If a male has a medical transition they do not become a woman neither do they have female organs eg a vagina.

Lastly I really really want someone to tell me what 'living as a woman' means.

Protect children from damaging genderist propaganda in school.
Yes to teaching respect, consent, boundaries, self acceptance and human biology.

No males in female spaces, non negotiable.

And worst of all they never bothered telling us women that that was what they had done

I mean the GRA suddenly slips in that a man’s ‘sex’ is now female. WTF?

It should be called the Sex Falsification Act.

I think it's important to know the actual sex of the person that something happens to. It can show trends. Things that affect men and women differently because of their biology, the bits that hormones and surgery can't change.

I don’t think the word ‘gender’ should be in any law since there is not a clear and consistent definition of what it is.

Should say: but the conflation of gender with sex, and the idea that anything in the law can allow you to change sex, absolutely must go, so the GRA still has to be repealed!

I was wondering, as the new name suggests, about sex on identification documents. I think, I don't have a problem with sex being removed from most identification documents - if it bothers trans people to have the disfavoured sex on passports and driving licences, it doesn't bother me if those are changed to have no sex on them, and that should solve that problem. Biometrics have gone a long way past where having sex on those things is actually helpful for any legitimate purpose relating to international travel or driving, I think. There should be one way of proving what sex you are, which you can show if you want access to a woman-only space, and it should be unfalsifiable. I was thinking, maybe a new "NHS card", since healthcare is the obvious place where unfalsified sex is likely to be important?

If we could have all that, and it was made clear that the Equality Act refers to biological sex, then I think it would no longer bother me if someone gets a piece of paper to recognise their new "gender", because we'd be in the state we should always have been in, where someone's gender is no business of the law. The law shouldn't be concerned with stuff in someone's head that's unverifiable.
It doesn't bother me too much if we keep the EA's "gender reassignment", because it could be seen as just a kind of religion, and seen as part of a generic "don't discriminate against people for stuff you disapprove of but that is irrelevant", which I think is good to have.

All of the brilliant, important stuff already said.

And then, also, a real concerted effort to end sex / gender stereotyping, especially of children. If we'd achieved this better, gender ideology would never have taken off in schools. People would have just given it a funny look. As it is, schools seem to be full of princesses and footballers with very little in between.

It has to be no males in female spaces. No exceptions.

100%.

Sex is immutable; sex matters.

Women need, deserve and have rights to spaces free of men, whatever their inner feelings, whatever plastic surgery they've had done.

That's it.

I want it to be made clear that woman means adult human female.
I want single SEX spaces to remain single sex. This means toilets, wards, prisons, changing rooms, sports teams, rape crisis centres.
Girl guiding needs to stay for girls (the female ones) only

There's nothing wrong with being a trans woman is if that's what you believe you are. But trans women are male.

If there is a need for mixed sex facilities then they need to be offered alongside single sex. Sadly some males need rape support, so they can have their own.

If boys want to join brownies/Guides then a mixed sex version can be started, or they can join cubs/scouts. If a transwoman wants to join the WI then they should start their own mixed sex version.

They need to stop recording rapists as women. Rape is a male crime. Women can commit sexual assault, not rape.

Get rid of the GRA.
No males in female spaces - toilets, changing rooms, prisons, refuges and rape crisis centres etc - with no exceptions.
No males (including transwomen who have been through male puberty) in womens sport.
Gender ideology out of schools and the public sector.
Sex as a protected characteristic properly upheld by the law every time.
The importance of single sex spaces, particularly for girls, to be included in safeguarding guidance - KCSIE etc.

The madness to stop.

Maybe they should just found The Church of Transgenderism. Get it registered. They can call their buildings ‘safe spaces’, they can observe ‘pronoun rounds’, they can work on their official texts, have confirming ceremonies where they ‘come out’, share their new name, pronoun and made-up identity. They can believe what they like and do what they like- even think of us all as heretics and unbelievers who are going to hell, etc, they can get paranoid and imagine they are persecuted as a way of bonding.

Just leave the rest of us out of it.

I said specific instances where sex/safeguarding are important: schools, hospitals, sports, prisons - not small businesses like cafes.

As you say, OP. Reality, not kindness that disadvantages women WITHOUT EVER FUCKING ASKING THEM IF THEY MIND.

I was skeptical about the PPs who said cancel the EA but actually why not have separate discrimination laws for race, belief, age, sex etc. They are not all the same thing and they have different requirements.

One of the worst aspects of DEI is stirring every characteristic into one inclusive soup.

I want differences due to biology to be recognised where they are relevant to fairness, safety and dignity. I want equality and equitability for the two sexes.

I want 'gender' to be seen for what it is - just part of the diversity of characteristics individual humans can exhibit. I want an end to gender stereotypes.