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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

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Kucinghitam · 25/01/2023 15:07

Continuation of Thread 2.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

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angelico53 · 02/03/2023 12:47

Amen, mach. An original. Well, both of 'em, really. If you haven't seen it, there's a "classic albums" film on youtube about the making of Aja. I think it may be in several small bits, you how they do it. But it has some fab insights into their writing and, esp, their recording, and some of the dryest wit from Fagan. "Yes, that was in your very productive stylophone phase", deadpanned.

Interviews with Bernard P the ridiculous fuunky drummer Larry Carlton, that amazing bassist.

Soz for thread derailment!

mach2 · 02/03/2023 12:35

Steely Dan are the business. God rest Walter Becker.

MissLawls · 02/03/2023 12:01

I love Steely Dan!

duc748 · 02/03/2023 11:10

Steely Dan always reminds me of Brookside, and the late great Nancy Banks-Smith's wonderful assessment of it as "The Harrods, the Habitats, and the Hooligans'. There was a robbery, or something, and Mr Habitat wailed "They've stolen my Steely Dan records!"

Genius.

angelico53 · 02/03/2023 09:42

Stonewall et al have a lot to answer for in terms of muddying critical thinking.

There's a line in Reeling in the years: "The weekend at the college didn't turn out like you planned; the things that pass for knowledge, I can't understand."

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 02/03/2023 08:15

Indeed, many (most?) DSDs are sex linked - only 1 sex can have them.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 02/03/2023 08:13

All intersex people with a DSD are male or female.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/03/2023 01:34

I just looked at a Mumsnet census and saw this.

Why are they saying intersex? I thought even among people with DSDs, most are genetically male or female?

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3
Waitwhat23 · 01/03/2023 23:51

The marvellous Gender Pay Gap Bot is doing their thing on Twitter at the moment as just about every organisation in the UK changes their logo to pink for one day for International Women's Day. One particular example featured today was Sheerman and Sterling Law whose most recent reported gender pay gap is 52%.

For anyone interested, gender pay gaps for the UK can be found at gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 10:14

I think it depends on which archive site.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/03/2023 10:13

SqueakyDinosaur · 01/03/2023 08:49

Oh I posted an archive link. They're verboten are they?

I think it's because it's not obvious from the irl what the link is, MNHQ want to check them out and may show the thread if they're legit. Which imo is an entirely good thing!

MmePoppySeedDefage · 01/03/2023 10:09

Peter Tatchell covers himself in glory again, as well as this being a good summary of where we are.

The problem with reality is that it keeps on exposing your reality denying lies:

twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1630866406341222400?s=46&t=aJhaAUQ_MMc7p--rftXOEg

And Humza can do one. I noticed he referred to the lovely Isla as "trans gender"

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 01/03/2023 08:51

Some seem to get through and others don't. I've not worked out the rule yet.

SqueakyDinosaur · 01/03/2023 08:49

Oh I posted an archive link. They're verboten are they?

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 01/03/2023 08:48

Hidden message - what did you do, Squeaky?

I noted the BBC news (radio 3 version) has caught up with the 'police lose 700 sex offenders in 3 years' story. Never get much detail in that news slot but they did say that most of those who had fallen off the tracking system had changed their names.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 08:48

@SqueakyDinosaur did you post a crowdfunder or an archive link?

SqueakyDinosaur · 01/03/2023 08:25

Here's an archive copy of the Washington Post piece: archive.is/4Bt7G

SinnerBoy · 01/03/2023 08:01

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · Yesterday 19:00

...but for some reason I keep reading that headline in Trending as 'Transman ate my crisps . . .

It looks like you're in good company!

And Thursday Williams is effectively saying: "I'm not an athlete and I don't care, so why should anyone else?" What a selfish idiot she is.

Britinme · 01/03/2023 07:48

@IcakethereforeIam - sorry the article is too long to paste. A number of states here are introducing legislation banning "gender-affirming" care and medical treatment of minor children, and gender identity education in public schools. The grounds for this are often cited as religious. The story in the article is specifically about such an attempt in Missouri, which is a very right wing state (nearly all the division here over this issue is political in this way - I haven't seen the left wing feminism-based backlash of the kind mainly discussed on these boards).

FTFA " a fault line in American attitudes about policies regarding transgender individuals that often follows religious ties. White evangelicals, in particular, more strongly favor bans on teacching about gender identity in public schools, and requiring transgender athletes compete on teams that match their sex at birth, for example, than those who are not religiously affiliated, according to a 2022 Pew Research Center survey."

The three religious leaders in the article - one rabbi and two Christian- are all in Missouri and all have pre-pubertal children who identify as transgender and have done from a fairly young age, and they oppose the introduction of this legislation, again on constitutional grounds supporting the free exercise of religion.

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 00:23

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 18:19

How can a cleavage be peaked?

I was just trying to find if the author of that piece might be GC, but I wasn't holding out much hope. Obviously, it's the lens I read it through but the fact that unprecedented numbers of girls are trying to abandon womanhood entirely isn't mentioned seems sus. I think she signed the letter to the NYT so I think she doesn't or won't see it. It baffles me.

Apparently by going back to the 1950s

That's well peaked!👇

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2023 00:18

I can't read the article @Britinme but are they admitting that gi is a religion?

Winterborne74 · 01/03/2023 00:11

Very effective communication from Riley Gaines:

mobile.twitter.com/riley_gaines_/status/1630666368952442900?s=61&t=-LK22XnJEdaX4u8Cd_5fcw

Britinme · 28/02/2023 19:25

"Trans kids" in a WaPo article - pre-puberty where that probably feels simpler. ‘Our state is at war with our family’: Clergy with trans kids fight back
They say their children’s lives and religious liberty are threatened by bills proposed in Missouri and elsewhere.
By Ariana Eunjung Cha

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/02/28/missouri-transgender-bills//_

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 19:07

Not just me then!

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 28/02/2023 19:00

I acknowledge I've probably been radicalised on here but I'm not obsessed, really I'm not, but for some reason I keep reading that headline in Trending as 'Transman ate my crisps . . .