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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

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Kucinghitam · 25/01/2023 15:07

Continuation of Thread 2.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

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IcakethereforeIam · 27/01/2023 18:46

Dr David Bell letter in the Guardian regarding that, imo, misleading and lightweight piece on the Tavistock. Fair play to them for publishing his letter I suppose.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/27/gender-identity-treatment-needs-greater-caution

StephanieSuperpowers · 27/01/2023 15:45

duc748 · 27/01/2023 15:40

The cartoon may be on the the money, but I wouldn't be setting Matt up as any kind of hero. I recall some pretty unpleasant stuff from him on other topics. Likewise the Torygraph in general.

Well, probably, but he's right here. The wolf is dressed up as grandma for nefarious ends and while they're identifying as grandma to secure little red riding hood's trust and compliance, it puts her in a dangerous position.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 15:42

BTW I'm not constantly MNetting while on holiday,

Yeah...sure..we believe you😁

duc748 · 27/01/2023 15:40

The cartoon may be on the the money, but I wouldn't be setting Matt up as any kind of hero. I recall some pretty unpleasant stuff from him on other topics. Likewise the Torygraph in general.

StephanieSuperpowers · 27/01/2023 14:58

i I almost have more respect for (1) the head up arse in sand ostriches still singing LalalaNothingToSeeHereNoDebate; (2) the steadfast "she's still a laydee no matter what she did with her penis, and if you mispronoun her you're evil, BeeeeeKind" nut jobs.

Me Too. It's shameful to see these vicious, destructive, awful people just pretend they never said awful, vicious things to and about women and were so contemptuous of any attempt to keep women safe just shove their hands in their pockets and whistle off to the next cause. At least the true believers did it for something they (wrongly) believe in.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/01/2023 14:34

This was a comment

Saying not to start on trans folk, that
one was murdered very recently and the murder reported in the mirror. Then telling Matt to please pick a different group……….
that they really are a small and inoffensive group.

Below that comment someone answered that the murdered man was a drag Queen and asked if they are considered trans now?

The only recently murdered drag queen I could find in the mirror, if that is the same person, was not remotely inoffensive at all as it happens, not that he should have been murdered.

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Kucinghitam · 27/01/2023 14:33

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:22

Well then...were YOU are is this getting any coverage?. And glad to see you regard mumsnetting as good use of your holiday.

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Haven't looked at local news since I arrived, but I kind of doubt it. I'm keeping myself up to date via MN.

(BTW I'm not constantly MNetting while on holiday, it's just that because of the massive time difference I find myself wide-awake late in the evening after I've said goodnight to the people I'm visiting and am alone in my hotel room, i.e. around now).

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Waitwhat23 · 27/01/2023 14:30

Saw this and thought it was apt -

twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1618916423707013121?s=20&t=5K2aeVN2kJKPcOaFkJUjdQ

Big glasses of whatever you drink to the women on here (some of whom were banned for speaking the truth) who have been fighting this fight for bloody years

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:22

Kucinghitam · 27/01/2023 14:20

Sorry Boiled - he's at home in the UK, I'm away on holiday. (And yet, here I am, still MNetting!).

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Well then...were YOU are is this getting any coverage?. And glad to see you regard mumsnetting as good use of your holiday.

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Kucinghitam · 27/01/2023 14:20

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:17

@Kucinghitam out of curiosity as he's somewhere else is any of this getting actual news coverage?

Sorry Boiled - he's at home in the UK, I'm away on holiday. (And yet, here I am, still MNetting!).

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ScrollingLeaves · 27/01/2023 14:18

Kucinghitam · Today 14:13
That cartoon is so very funny, please thank him.

Britinme · 27/01/2023 14:18

Britinme · 27/01/2023 14:17

All the comments on that response to the cartoon are pointing out its absurdity though.

I mean the absurdity of calling rapists an oppressed and marginalised group.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:17

@Kucinghitam out of curiosity as he's somewhere else is any of this getting actual news coverage?

Britinme · 27/01/2023 14:17

All the comments on that response to the cartoon are pointing out its absurdity though.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:16

Of course straight way he gets accused of being transphobic

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Kucinghitam · 27/01/2023 14:13

From 8 time zones away, DH sent me this:

twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1618660224662913048?s=20&t=SxFtjAec1ozYVAyss7xqcQ

He's climbed way beyond Everest and is accelerating out of the stratosphere Grin

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Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 14:13

It is interesting watching them realise that no debate actually meant nope we've got nothing we can't debate

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Kucinghitam · 27/01/2023 14:11

General reflection on the TRSOH politicians, cheerleaders and handmaidens desperately reverse-ferreting all over the place. They're liars and cowards and weasels. Utterly pathetic.

I almost have more respect for (1) the head up arse in sand ostriches still singing LalalaNothingToSeeHereNoDebate; (2) the steadfast "she's still a laydee no matter what she did with her penis, and if you mispronoun her you're evil, BeeeeeKind" nut jobs.

At least those two groups know how to properly ringfence their quasi-religion.

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Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 13:06

StephanieSuperpowers · 27/01/2023 11:05

I don't think we had this, but as always, Glosswitch is a treat. Even though it's very serious, it made me laugh several times:

thecritic.co.uk/Yes-Im-on-the-wrong-side-of-history/

Right now, as women and girls in Afghanistan are losing access to education, healthcare and basic safety, as an estimated 142.6 million female people are missing from the world due to sex selection, femicide and neglect, I wonder at the misrepresentation of sex denialism as “progress”. Whose interests does it serve? If you decide that the most oppressed women are those with penises, it becomes easier to claim we’re seeing the end of gender-based oppression, despite everything that’s happening to the world’s uterus owners. It is possible to “win” by shifting the goalposts. I’d rather be an honest loser, though.

Well said that woman.

duc748 · 27/01/2023 12:23

@IcakethereforeIam

From the (literally!) small print in your link, I noticed

Note: although the Chief Statistician’s guidance advocates the cessation of collecting data on sex in most circumstances, the guidance singles out the ‘investigation of serious sexual offences’ as an example where data on biological sex is required.

So collecting data on sex, in general, is non-preferred and transphobic, is it? WTAF? Well, there's medical records and the criminal justice up the Swanee for a start!

It's one massive great plan (and it is very much a plan, I think) to down-grade 'sex', and replace it with gender. Left, right, and centre.

StephanieSuperpowers · 27/01/2023 11:05

I don't think we had this, but as always, Glosswitch is a treat. Even though it's very serious, it made me laugh several times:

thecritic.co.uk/Yes-Im-on-the-wrong-side-of-history/

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 27/01/2023 07:45

Well summarised Kuc.

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2023 01:50

See this mornings news paper front page

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3
ScrollingLeaves · 27/01/2023 00:47

See this thread in AIBU

Scottish rapist’s crime to be recorded as female

duc748 · 27/01/2023 00:42

CyanCrystalViolet · 27/01/2023 00:16

Jesus Christ, just ventured onto r/Scotland. Some people are complaining that no one is talking about ‘cis women committing rape’ and how cis women always use the ‘get out clause’ that ‘rape can only be done by someone with a penis’. What the actual fuck have I just read. Time for bed I think.

WTAF indeed. But sadly, it doesn't seem a joke, if Police Scotland have their way.