Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

You rang?@MmePoppySeedDefage I'm right at a critical clipped wing of robin steeped in self loathing and hypocrisy stage in my straightening out the dictionary with a click of your fingers spell but keep getting distracted. I've hoovered next doors ceiling three times by accident so far this morning.

Sarah has been in to comment this morning.

She is still rather angry i think.

The Clip from last night is also on the thread.

Robin truly did rip up the rule book last night with his words.but his reckoning we are free to feel and say what we like now!!

Wow Julie!

This is a rather fabulous thread - starts with an interesting discussion then up pop both Robin and Sarah, Robin doesn't like the questions, calls the women witches and leaves, cue lots of very funny comments and some very pertinent posts especially from BoiledBeetle IMO, and, and and:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/sarah-phillimore-and-robin-moira-white-interviewed-by-andrew-doyle

If I didn't know better, I'd think Julie Bindel had access to a time machine

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1619264949762822145?s=20&t=m7FyyPxTl-tzWo7DX1UOgw

There's also an article in the Scotsman that's behind a paywall, it seems (surely not!) to have been written by one of the beach boys.

Leaving it here in case someone can do a thing.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/gender-recognition-reform-bill-nicola-sturgeon-insults-scotlands-intelligence-by-denying-relevance-of-rape-case-to-her-legislation-brian-wilson-4004375?dicbo=v2-c8d6386559b4c62b8d43a2a939facca7

A strongly worded Scotsman comment piece on Sturgeon’s latest:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/gender-recognition-reform-bill-nicola-sturgeons-disgraceful-attack-on-critics-suggest-she-has-lost-the-plot-scotsman-comment-4004822

I wonder what's going to happen in Canterbury at the next election. Will Rosie Duffield be de-selected and replaced with someone more "palatable" as a sop to the student vote? Because I think it was getting those voters out that got her elected. On the other hand, there's the non-student women's vote to consider.

NB mach - that's in the Observer.

I just find it hard to think of it as a separate thing 🤷

A mere 13,824,000,000 sensibly excluding I and O so 230 generations.

I still try now but find is like counting sheep and fall asleep before I've worked out the answer.

Just had a glorious rant at Rob on Sarah and his thread re his latest debate with Sarah. She called him he. Live on tv. Sat next to him. She is a Fucking legend.

And Catherine Bennett has long since made her position clear. Good piece nonetheless. Am viscerally disappointed in Labour. Duffield’s treatment is shameful.

A Graunista breaks ranks.

NB mach - that's in the Observer.

A Graunista breaks ranks.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/28/forget-andrew-tate-what-about-the-host-of-misogynists-in-labours-ranks

I could have done things like that in my head when I was 8. I blame puberty.

Funnily enough I was having to do these kinds of calculations earlier and failing miserably

@ErrolTheDragon - Arf! I was thinking along those lines (while preparing pizza) and going to say that with 24 letters (excluding I and O to avoid confusion with 1 and 0) and 10 numbers, the permutations of LL NN NN NN L must be vast. I had planned to work it out after eating said pizza. So thank you. 💐

If I've calculated it right, there are 17,576,000,000 combinations which with a population of ~60 million gives ~290 generations before they need to start again.

Just come across this. Disturbing.

Steam is now selling a game made by a pro-transgender developer where you kill women, who are referred to as “TERFs”.

twitter.com/stillgray/status/1619123409962803200

reduxx.info/transgender-programmer-designs-game-about-slaughtering-women-critical-of-gender-ideology/

So the one thing that has nothing to signify anything and only is any use for payroll and benefit payments. That stays the same!!

FFS

According to the gov.uk website, your NI number "never changes". I suppose they must get recycled, presumably when people die, but I was under the impression they were unique.

I've checked the Irish situation. The PPS number is used to ensure relevant data is updated to record the new gender, and

The effect of the legal recognition is not retrospective. All rights, responsibilities and consequences of actions by you prior to the date of recognition of your preferred gender remain unaffected.

I'm still not happy about self Id but it seems slightly more thought through.

You definitely get a new NHS number. Don't know about NI numbers but they only have limited uses and certainly can't be used as a general ID system. Passport number changes every time you renew your passport.

And the new Scottish Bill specifically rejected an amendment to make post-GRC criminal record checks automatically cover previous identities, and instead went for a complex system that is delberately not joined up and relies on any criminal being perfectly honest.

I know I've read something about nhs numbers recently but I can't be arsed to go searching!

And also IIRC NHS numbers - you have to be issued with a new one as male and female ones begin with different digits. Not sure if I believe that, but it's easily mad enough for NHS IT systems.

I'm presuming when you change your sex marker on medical records your nhs number (separate to your N I no.) Must change as well?