@Boiledbeetle insaner then, but I'm walking. Got to think of the planet. Because the Greens sure aren't. Amirite!?

I wonder what's going to happen in Canterbury at the next election. Will Rosie Duffield be de-selected and replaced with someone more "palatable" as a sop to the student vote? Because I think it was getting those voters out that got her elected. On the other hand, there's the non-student women's vote to consider.

I'm fairly sure I read that Rosie has already been re-selected by her CLP. With the wind very much behind Labour I can't see her losing Canterbury. Assuming she decides she wants to stay in a party that doesn't support her openly but where many do privately. I loathe cowardice. If they all stood together they'd be so strong but their fear really pisses me off. Yes I know they get horrible threats all the time I know that. But you can't let the bullies win you just can't. When you appease bullies they don't say thank you very much and go on their way. They demand more and more. There's no future in appeasement.

Trying to drive you?I

Thought you already were

That is the tweet of a woman who knows that she's completely vindicated.

A little light relief to usher in a new week.

Amy Hamm retweeted this

twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1619768251097186304?s=20&t=S3F-Ibe0ceYXZv5sWid7Qw

Gender Diverse Offenders in Canadian prisons, 44% of incarcerated tw are sexual offenders.

No @ErrolTheDragon it's definitely the insanity

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't an auto delete.

Read the guidelines, it depends on context. But mainly on whether someone reports a usage or not. Compare with terms like TERF or 'cis' - we can use them, by all means discuss them, but if anyone applies those terms to us and we report then they should be deleted.

I've had posts deleted, nothing of any consequence, so I've not really been arsed to chase it up with MN. I thought it was because of the Brook-Taylor acronym, but there are posts in this very thread that use it and seem to be fine. So I was wondering if the lowercase i was the problem.

TiM

Or maybe MN hates me and is trying to drive me insane!!

Some experiments depend on the observer, but maybe that's what you're experimenting on.

TiF

Just a sec., I'm carrying out an experiment

TiM

On the plus side, unlike Nancy Hopikns work 30 years ago, this was investigated openly and officially, and the results released.

On the minus side, nobody has actualy done anything about the problem in 30 years. www.science.org/content/article/women-scientists-famed-oceanography-institute-have-half-lab-space-men

The media who should be doing these interviews, etc are boiling my piss. I don't want to have to head to right-wing media, who I disagree with on the majority of their output, to get to see/read reality just because places like the BBC, in fact all terrestrial television and liberal print media refuse to face reality and at the very least allow conflicting opinions. I'm not saying that they all need to be TERFs now, but they need to accept that TERFs aren't bigots, that we don't hate TIMs and definitely not TIFs but that we are aware of the huge problems playing out right in front of our very eyes and we're scared and angry and want our media to acknowledge that and talk about our concerns. And, if a TRA refuses to debate with a woman then tough tit, they get no comeback, they don't get to be interviewed separately, they either play by the rules or they fuck the fuck off.

Talking to my brother and he was telling me about a friend of his who was sectioned recently with mh issues. This friend told him that there was a young transman in the men's ward and the men were 'flocking to her'. Yeah, I bet they were too. The friend said there was no 'pee bottle' by her bed, which I'm guessing means no genital surgery. I'm appalled and wonder how this can be allowed.

Wow, those two GBNews interviews are brilliant, thanks! And I never thought I’d be saying that about GBNews.

I mean we know what happens, but to read it in the words of a woman put through it.

Any one who had a hand in this happening at any moment from conception of the idea to implementation should be in the cell next to Fucking isla and Fucking Tiffany! And on the other side the two 'women' those 40 ACTUALLY BLOODY VULNERABLE WOMEN had to be housed and showered and potentially beat, raped and murdered by.

Bastard Arsehole tossers

Did anyone else see Julie Bindel on GB News? She was good and made no bones about her opinion. twitter.com/bindelj/status/1619665344041484289

Yeah. Reading that thread, you are absolutely confronted by the double think and traps that have been set for women. Thankfully, it's starting to get pulled open.

And do you know what? Congratulations to all of us who have kept talking in the face of contempt and abuse. I know that most of the credit is due to an extremely brave cohort among whom I do not count myself, but I'm a bit pleased that I never submitted to being intimidated into pretending to think something I know to be a lie.

Yes, I read that earlier and was appalled.

The one good thing happening at the moment is that this shit show is being exposed and everyone is seeing what 'be kind' has wrought.

Have you guys seen this, from the beauty students thread in AIBU?

t.co/6R6FRhzHGg

Thank you for you kind words. Now let's see if the above survives the hour

Moderators, if reported this post is merely reflecting the new rules Robin himself announced on tv yesterday with regards deciding if a person is a transperson or not.

So honestly Robin will be fine to let this stand as he did the same last night on live tv. (Watch the video link a few posts up if you need to check the interview starts at about 1hr 20 minutes in)

So if it's good enough for Robin it's good enough for me.

I am just grateful to Robin for listening to our opinions on here and then being so honest in his opinions and thoughts on transpeople.

Robin our resident transwoman barrister, who had insisted on she/her up until now, stated on live tv last night that Isla probably wasn't actually trans, but pretending. He then decided that despite Isla being a transwoman and wanting people to use she/her pronouns, off his own back he instantly freed us all from this pronoun and misgendering rubbish. As Robin decided he was perfectly entitled to say what he liked. And decided he was going to just decide to calls a transwoman they/them, because he was unsure as to Islas trans status and thought Isla was probably lying.

Well if Robin can gatekeep transness and believe that a trans person is lying about being trans especially when they've done something bad and as he's not sure decide not to use a persons preferred pronouns. Then so can we.

Which means that if we women aren't sure that a man is a woman, or think a man is is lying about being a woman or if we decide a transwoman doesn't have enough moral fortitude to be allowed to claim trans status based on some moral vice we may or may not know they have yet, or just if we think he's lying we can choose which pronouns to use for that person. None of this having to always use someone's preferred pronouns, Robin himself released us from that leash last night.

Sarah of course noticed and immediately changed her speech to reflect the new rules. And followed Robin's lead And referred to Robin as he. And the sky didn't fall in!

And as men can't actually be women, then unfortunately I can't be sure Robin is a woman. I am entitled to think and believe that and I do, just like he did with Isla, that he is lying. I have definitely decided based on the insinuation that we are witches that his moral compass is off, and based on all that I think Robin is a man and I am happy to follow Robin's new rules

Thank you Robin. What a wonderful man you are. I'm sure we'll be able to have much better discussions with you going forward now you have given us permission to be truthful to our thoughts. I'm so glad you have decided that policing people's speech is not enforcable.

The women of mumsnet thank you.

And if you get this deleted then you are hypocrite.

And I was sorry to hear about your early life. The thread was moving so quickly, no one commented I think, but I am sure I was not alone in noticing and feeling great sympathy, and admiration for you.

He did - very well-spotted and argued!