Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 10:50

But the fact they are actually collecting and publishing the data, and now allow prison governors to refuse some transfers, is a sign the needle is edging back towards sanity.

It's brought to mind Lord of the Flies, as the Navy ship has hove into view. All the nasty boys suddenly have to start behaving again.

Yes, agree with that, Winterborne.

But I'm sure KS has plenty more to say on that.

I’m half way through, watching in bursts between chores. So far it has been interesting in parts, but nothing new. I think it’s pitched at a different audience which is neither particularly familiar with every aspect of the gender debate, nor the situation in the UK. It’s a good conversation, but it’s inevitable there will be omissions.

this in itself was incontrovertible evidence of our Bad Peopleness.

And lack of self awareness and privilege. Because we are so comfortable in our gender identity we aren’t even aware of it. Our shoes fit. Like a white person not seeing race, people who claim not to have a gender identity are lacking in imagination and empathy for minorities.

Meanwhile Stonewall is waiting in the wings to help those who may not be sure about their own gender identity to find the form of oppression that works best for them:

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1627216416880619520

I also thought of that woman in Norway who is facing a prison sentence for saying a man can't be a lesbian.

I just watched it too. I'd have liked to have heard more on the way Stonewall and other pressure groups have colonised the govt and legal and medical establishment. But I'm sure KS has plenty more to say on that.

Just watched it, thanks for the link @Winterborne74 . What an interesting intelligent conversation. I miss Twitter horribly but wouldn’t have dared to comment on that video there. Feeling quite radicalised tbh!

Haven’t watched this yet, but have bookmarked it for later. Coleman Hughes has Kathleen Stock on his show. I enjoy both, so am looking forward to it:

Sorry, Angelico - the above will not help your rage.

But the fact they are actually collecting and publishing the data, and now allow prison governors to refuse some transfers, is a sign the needle is edging back towards sanity.

I can't see a thread in this yet, so I'll probably start one when I've finished my breakfast if nobody else gets there first. But so I don't lose the links, the Canadian prison service has started collecting proper data on gender diverse inmates.

Summary, with link to the full thing www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/005008-r442_E-en.shtml

Article picking out some of the 'highlights'. (I don’t know how the DW usually stands as a news outlet, but in this case it leads with a link to the original study, and has screenshots of tables of the original data, so it seems a reasonable source.)

www.dailywire.com/news/9-in-10-trans-women-in-canadas-prisons-are-violent-nearly-half-convicted-of-sex-crimes-study

Gender does not exist. It is not a real thing. Altering material reality to conform to a fantasy is not sane.

Genderism needs to be challenged as an irrational belief system, even if that offends the genderists.

One thing I've noticed recently is that people are using clearer language - e.g. "the rapist is a man" instead of "she is male-bodied".

Also, a few years ago I would often see "the <organisation of your choice> is gaslighting us". That has been replaced with words like "untrue" "wrong" "lying". I think this is also a welcome move towards clarity.

The IPSO consultation is really important, it's because of their guidelines that lots of newspapers don't report men as men accurately.

Actions we can do to move the mainstream back to reality:

Talk with people you meet.
Write to your MP - sex matters, fair play for women, wpuk all have campaigns of this type. KPSS have a detailed website.
Write to your union.
Write to local councillors.
Write to the BBC - either complain about poor reporting/praise clear reporting, send your views to any answers, question time etc.
Sign petitions.
Write to companies in the stonewall scheme.
Schools/colleges about what they teach.
The NHS about clear information about women.

Unfortunately there are many opportunities to campaign for reality about who are women and what single-sex spaces are needed.

My current action - responding to the IPSO consultation about their guidelines. Deadline is 10th March so needs doing soon.

I've woken up in a state of fury today.

Sometimes it's possible to stand back from the various things that have been occupying your attention, the many things - too many things - that you find irritating/unbelievable/infuriating: how language has been changed; how transwomen are favoured over women; how supine most people seem to be about this; how our children are being lied to; how the professional management classes flaunt their spurious virtue; how stonewall in particular has determinedly bypassed anything approaching transparency.

And somehow, during the night, my mind did step back. And I found myself so shocked to see clearly how this utter distortion has slyly taken over, without any sort of public discussion - it's almost physically breathtaking.

"Assigned male at birth" as a survey form category in a mail from my union (Unison). Rapists reported - by media with truth as a stated value - as "male". People scared to say the truth - no, don't call it some sort of "their truth" pomo rubbish, I mean the place you must come to where you either have a male or a female body. Actual material reality. Not a picture.

I've no idea how to stop this; I wish I did. At least I will never use pronouns in line with gender ideology, for anyone, anywhere. I'll not use "birthing parent" instead of mother or any of that "inclusive" language that excludes women. It's not a fat lot, but it's something. What else can we do?

It's like a nightmare from Dallas, except I've woken up and everything is wrong.

As people used to say, GPWM.

(Good Point Well Made)

That's a great speech.

This is a good speech by Naomi Cunningham of Legal Feminist on language and power:

www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:share:7032783665097003008/

Lands lots of punches, but I like this which puts me in mind of some of the factionalism within gender critical feminism that has recently been on display:

“More usually, it’s the niche belief that gets a label. So people who don’t believe the world is round are “flat-Earthers” - people who think the world was created in 6 days as described in Genesis are “young Earth creationists” - the people who denied that President Obama was born in America were “birthers”, and so on.
I can’t prove it, but I’m pretty sure the belief that sex is about what’s in your head or your soul or your inner essence is the niche one. Most of the people alive on the planet today know that all mammals including humans come in two types: the sort that can gestate and give birth to young, and the other sort - the sort that can impregnate the first sort. And if you’re one sort, there is nothing doctors can do to you that will ever literally turn you into the other sort.
But on this subject, the people who hold the mainstream belief get a label, and the people who hold the niche belief don’t. Calling people who believe in the material reality of sex “gender critical feminists” is as if we called people who believe in gravity “gravity-believing socialists” - even though almost everyone believes in gravity and most of them aren’t socialists at all.”

Maybe it’s time for the sex realists to stop worrying about whether they are part of a single movement or not. There is no requirement to be. What matters is reality.

'Polite to use pronouns'? Whatever happened to 'who's "she", the cat's mother'?

The Taliban know what a woman is, even if they didn't clock John Simpson.

I was at my daughter's school yesterday and was looking about for dodgy posters, but saw none. She's said a few things, something about "It's polite to use pronouns," a few ago.

I rather surprised they hadn't already banned contraception. But I hadn't realised quite how horrific their maternal mortality figures were - and those won't reflect the latest restrictions on women's healthcare.

I never thought I'd see a day when parents would have to unteach their kids what they learned at school.

To be fair, my mother tried to unteach all the feminist rubbish I was learning. :)

She failed.

I think cis and pronoun statements will disappear. Gender ideology is doomed because it is fundamentally incoherent and contradicts reality. There will always be people who are gender nonconforming and the freer we are from gender based oppression the better for everyone. I know the analogy with emperor’s new clothes is a bit of a cliche in this debate, but people can’t evade reality for ever.

Meanwhile more hellish news for Afghan women:

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/feb/17/taliban-ban-contraception-western-conspiracy